Hi:
I'm one of the moderators of a mailing list for discussing Object Oriented Programming. Today, we received a request for a soft copy of some programming book. We've decided to put together a mailing list policy. One of the points in the policy will be a clear statement that we don't support piracy of any form.
Could someone point me to the list rules of the linuxers mailing list, please?
Thanks in advance.
-- Sriram
__________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
On 1/7/06, Sriram N sriramx_2000@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi:
I'm one of the moderators of a mailing list for discussing Object Oriented Programming. Today, we received a request for a soft copy of some programming book. We've decided to put together a mailing list policy. One of the points in the policy will be a clear statement that we don't support piracy of any form.
Could someone point me to the list rules of the linuxers mailing list, please?
[OT] ???? :) check this out http://www.infoadvisors.com/list_policies.htm
-- ___________________________________________
-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/S C++++ P+ L+++(++++) E++(+++) W++ N+++ w--- G++++ e+++ a-- y d- s:++ r-- b+ Y+ G+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ decode with www.ebb.org/ungeek
"Neatness is about making it easy to read code *quickly*. The pattern recognizer in your brain doesn't work as well on a jumbled mess."
- H. Peter Anvin
On Saturday 07 January 2006 10:55, Sriram N wrote:
Hi:
I'm one of the moderators of a mailing list for discussing Object Oriented Programming. Today, we received a request for a soft copy of some programming book. We've decided to put together a mailing list policy. One of the points in the policy will be a clear statement that we don't support piracy of any form.
IMHO Asking for it cannot be considered as piracy. So you should allow the user to ask such questions BUT replies to his query MUST be STRICTLY private and NOT on the mailing list.
On 07/01/06 22:55 +0000, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
On Saturday 07 January 2006 10:55, Sriram N wrote:
Hi:
I'm one of the moderators of a mailing list for discussing Object Oriented Programming. Today, we received a request for a soft copy of some programming book. We've decided to put together a mailing list policy. One of the points in the policy will be a clear statement that we don't support piracy of any form.
IMHO Asking for it cannot be considered as piracy. So you should allow the user to ask such questions BUT replies to his query MUST be STRICTLY private and NOT on the mailing list.
Allowing such a request on the list would be tantamount to supporting copyright violation.
Devdas Bhagat
On Sunday 08 Jan 2006 8:01 am, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
Allowing such a request on the list would be tantamount to supporting copyright violation.
I call it free speech.
it is misuse of the word 'free' by ppl like you that gives foss a bad name
On Sunday 08 January 2006 02:28, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
it is misuse of the word 'free' by ppl like you that gives foss a bad name
Learn to live with the realities. Piracy is a reality. Denying it is of no use. AFAIK the constitution of this country allows free speech. A person isn't committing a crime until he / she has actually acquired a pirated copy of whatever he / she is asking for.
I am neither supporting piracy nor advocating it. I feel a forum or a mailing list shouldn't suppress any post unless they are derogatory to fellow member(s) or they contain some sort of information which is illegal (for example, links to sites / servers which give access to pirated material).
But yes, one could view allowing requests to pirated material as 'facilitating piracy' and hence a crime in itself. Hmph. Ignore me. I am just a figment of your imagination :|
Dinesh Joshi wrote:
Learn to live with the realities. Piracy is a reality. Denying it is of no use. AFAIK the constitution of this country allows free speech. A person isn't committing a crime until he / she has actually acquired a pirated copy of whatever he / she is asking for.
There was a time when I thought piracy was helping in bringing down the cost of paid software and that benifited the people. But after seeing the tremendous effort put in by the open source community, I personally feel that piracy is actually killing FOSS. Just as a drug dealer benifits after providing initial free doses, commercial software cos. too benifit from making the users slaves to their platform, even if its through piracy. Today the majority of the world computer users as well as manufacturers are so addicted or rather dependent on windows that they are finding it difficult to break its barriers and switch over to FOSS like linux.
Regards,
Rony.
___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com
On Sunday 08 Jan 2006 6:24 pm, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
Learn to live with the realities. Piracy is a reality. Denying it is of no use. AFAIK the constitution of this country allows free speech. A person isn't committing a crime until he / she has actually acquired a pirated copy of whatever he / she is asking for.
no - attempt is also punishable under indian law. The constitution does not allow unhindered free speech. There are restrictions. One of them is speech in the process of soliciting commission of a crime. And if a list admin allowed it, he could wind up behing bars - remember what happened to bazee. Rape a day in delhi is a reality. You want us to learn to live with it? Any responsible foss group will certainly take a principled stand against any and all criminal activity on its lists/websites
--- Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@thenilgiris.com wrote:
On Sunday 08 Jan 2006 6:24 pm, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
Learn to live with the realities. Piracy is a reality. Denying it is of no use. AFAIK the constitution of this country allows free speech. A person isn't committing a crime until he / she has actually acquired a pirated copy of whatever he / she is asking for.
no - attempt is also punishable under indian law. The constitution does not allow unhindered free speech. There are restrictions. One of them is speech in the process of soliciting commission of a crime. And if a list admin allowed it, he could wind up behing bars
- remember what happened to bazee. Rape a day in delhi is a
reality. You want us to learn to live with it? Any responsible foss group will certainly take a principled stand against any and all criminal activity on its lists/websites
Thanks. This is what we've felt too.
Incidentally, our group is the Nashik OOMD group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nashikoomd). Almost everyone on our list is a college student and not very tech or email savvy. Piracy is pampant, and folks don't understand netiquette very much. I myself have just a moderate level of understanding of netiquette.
I therefore look toward ILug Mumbai for help.
Thanks everyone for the feedback and for voicing your opinions. Seeing the majoiry opinion makes me feel that we took the right decision in not even allowing piracy related posts to the group.
-- regards kg
-- Sriram
__________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
On Sunday 08 January 2006 18:24, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
On Sunday 08 January 2006 02:28, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
it is misuse of the word 'free' by ppl like you that gives foss a bad name
Learn to live with the realities. Piracy is a reality.
As long as the "reality" happens to someone else i suppose. Wonder how "acceptable" it would feel if someone applies some other worse and far more prevalent "reality" (mugging, kidnapping) to you.
On Monday 09 January 2006 14:36, JTD wrote:
As long as the "reality" happens to someone else i suppose. Wonder how "acceptable" it would feel if someone applies some other worse and far more prevalent "reality" (mugging, kidnapping) to you.
I have accepted these realities ;)
Sometime on Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 02:55:20AM -0800, Sriram N said:
Could someone point me to the list rules of the linuxers mailing list, please?
Its avaliable from the "Mailing List" link from the homepage.
Or click on this handy shortcut: http://www.ilug-bom.org.in/listguidelines
Anurag
--- Anurag anurag@gnuer.org wrote:
Its avaliable from the "Mailing List" link from the homepage.
Or click on this handy shortcut: http://www.ilug-bom.org.in/listguidelines
Thanks. I'm sure this will prove useful.
Anurag
-- SRiram
__________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
-
Anurag -
Devdas Bhagat -
Dinesh Joshi -
DJ
-
JTD -
Kenneth Gonsalves -
Rony Bill -
Sriram N -
Vihang Dudhalkar