On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 2:19 PM, hackingKK hackingkk@gmail.com wrote:

I tested the latest beta and it is just amazing. I feel if the beata can be so stable then the final release is going to be real production quality OS. And given the growing popularity of gnu/linux on the desktop, we will soon see a massive shift with such path braking successful distros.

I wanted to try lucid beta version too, and hence I had downloaded beta2 version. However I could not find any option to try it as a LIVE system. Is this generally the case?

On Thursday 22 April 2010 03:10 PM, VIGNESH PRABHU wrote:

I wanted to try lucid beta version too, and hence I had downloaded beta2 version. However I could not find any option to try it as a LIVE system. Is this generally the case?

No, not at all. I think you probably got confused with the latest distro because of its difference in the bootup than its predecessors. Uptill 9.10 you had the options at the start for choosing installer or booting it live. But now the options come right before the login screen. I was confused too. But put the cd in and it starts to go ahead in bootup without asking any thing at the beginning. As a side note, if you want the old style menu to come up, just hit the space bar around 10 seconds after the cd starts spinning at boot time. You will see that it will ask you for choosing between the installer right away or to boot in live mode.

Happy hacking. Krishnakant.

Kaushal, I am right now writing from the Release candidate of Ubuntu 10.04.

It is really great and I think one of the most pathbreaking successful distros ever. I will be having the iso images for both 32 bit and 64 bit cds and if you want i can also burn a dvd for you. I also will have the server version if you need that, however my strong recommendation is to stick with debian or centos for stable servers. I work at IIT so if you are any way near to IIT, you are welcome to drop in. besides, we at IIT's spoken tutorial and fossee team are creating a few audio visuals for Ubuntu. they will be in ogg format so that you don't have to download additional codecs to play them on Ubuntu. So do let me know what kind of cds you will need and i would also recommend to stay away from ordering cds from canonical.

Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On Sunday 25 April 2010 01:08 AM, Ganesh Gajare wrote:

Kaushal, Yes, Lucid is just awesome fruit of GNU/LINUX tree. There is still 4 days are remaining for release. As soon as it release, next day you can take it from Gnowledge Lab, HBCSE, Mankhurd.

You can write to me or provided come to our place with your own blank cd's and get it from us. And requested to all, If possible please do not ask for Ubuntu CD's as ISO's are free for Download, Why we have to waste a shipping charge from a Canonical, as one can get it from his neighbourhood.

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Kaushal Shriyan kaushalshriyan@gmail.comwrote:

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Hi,

Where can i get Free Lucid Lynx Desktop and Server Editions ? The Request a CD is closed now. It says

"Demand for Ubuntu CDs is very high, and we're trying to ensure that we have enough CDs for those who really need one. We've noticed that you've already received CDs of several previous Ubuntu releases. You can help us ensure the continued availability of Ubuntu CDs by

• upgrading to the new release without a CD
• downloading your own CD for free
• becoming an Ubuntu member by contributing to Ubuntu, and thereby

becoming eligible for more CDs

Thanks for your support of Ubuntu!"

Please suggest/guide.

Thanks and Regards,

Kaushal

http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

Ganesh( dragger) Be a FOSSERS,use GNU/LINUX

Sahil, I will mail you off list for the details.

Happy hacking. Krishnakant.

On Sunday 25 April 2010 01:47 AM, Sahil Dave wrote:

On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 01:28 +0530, hackingKK wrote:

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I am right now writing from the Release candidate of Ubuntu 10.04.

It is really great and I think one of the most pathbreaking successful distros ever. I will be having the iso images for both 32 bit and 64 bit cds and if you want i can also burn a dvd for you. I also will have the server version if you need that, however my strong recommendation is to stick with debian or centos for stable servers. I work at IIT so if you are any way near to IIT, you are welcome to drop in.

Hi

I work in powai. would really like to give lucid lynx a shot. what dept. or building in IIT Mumbai can i get the CD from?

Regards Sahil Dave

Hello,

Nowadays MTNL has some very nice and budget unlimitted plans for broadband internet. They are definitely worth every rupee and very convenient for CD downloads.

Regards,

Rony.

Ganesh Gajare wrote:

Kaushal, Yes, Lucid is just awesome fruit of GNU/LINUX tree. There is still 4 days are remaining for release. As soon as it release, next day you can take it from Gnowledge Lab, HBCSE, Mankhurd.

You can write to me or provided come to our place with your own blank cd's and get it from us. And requested to all, If possible please do not ask for Ubuntu CD's as ISO's are free for Download, Why we have to waste a shipping charge from a Canonical, as one can get it from his neighbourhood.

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Kaushal Shriyan kaushalshriyan@gmail.comwrote:

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Hi,

Where can i get Free Lucid Lynx Desktop and Server Editions ? The Request a CD is closed now. It says

"Demand for Ubuntu CDs is very high, and we're trying to ensure that we have enough CDs for those who really need one. We've noticed that you've already received CDs of several previous Ubuntu releases. You can help us ensure the continued availability of Ubuntu CDs by

• upgrading to the new release without a CD
• downloading your own CD for free
• becoming an Ubuntu member by contributing to Ubuntu, and thereby

becoming eligible for more CDs

Thanks for your support of Ubuntu!"

Please suggest/guide.

Thanks and Regards,

Kaushal

http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

Ganesh( dragger) Be a FOSSERS,use GNU/LINUX

http://mumbai.mtnl.net.in/triband/htm/tariff.htm

thats mtnls official tarrifs.

Yohan

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 01:52:09PM +0530, Sanket Shah wrote:

the 495 plan or the 599 plan's are pretty good value for money, the 495 plan ends in 5 days.

495 plan: zero rental for landline, 320kbps to 2 mbps burst speed unlimited download. (Me getting upto 245KB/sec in low traffic times)

599 plan: 512 kbps unlimited. Again has burst speeds to 2Mbps (No landline rental included)

Plans look really good, but I've heard lot of people complaining about reliability. Have you faced any issues with your connection?

Also I frequently read posts on this and other linux lists that their modems don't work well (out of box) with linux. How was your experience?

Regards, Nitesh

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Nitesh Mistry wrote:

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 01:52:09PM +0530, Sanket Shah wrote:

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the 495 plan or the 599 plan's are pretty good value for money, the 495 plan ends in 5 days.

495 plan: zero rental for landline, 320kbps to 2 mbps burst speed unlimited download. (Me getting upto 245KB/sec in low traffic times)

599 plan: 512 kbps unlimited. Again has burst speeds to 2Mbps (No landline rental included)

Plans look really good, but I've heard lot of people complaining about reliability. Have you faced any issues with your connection?

Also I frequently read posts on this and other linux lists that their modems don't work well (out of box) with linux. How was your experience?

Regards, Nitesh

Yes, seemed like a good plan to me too. I got a connection on 25th of March but couldn't get a stable download link till the 15th of this month. I finally canacelled the connection.

I would get a download for about 15 minutes to an hour and then nothing would come down the pipe for periods of over two to three hours. Not even a ping.

The modem is still lying at my place. The link still takes over two hours to stabilise after switching on the modem. They still haven't found what the problem is.

I went back to my previous ISP.

YMMV,

Sharukh.

Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. wrote:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Nitesh Mistry wrote:

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On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 01:52:09PM +0530, Sanket Shah wrote:

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the 495 plan or the 599 plan's are pretty good value for money, the 495 plan ends in 5 days.

495 plan: zero rental for landline, 320kbps to 2 mbps burst speed unlimited download. (Me getting upto 245KB/sec in low traffic times)

599 plan: 512 kbps unlimited. Again has burst speeds to 2Mbps (No landline rental included)

Plans look really good, but I've heard lot of people complaining about reliability. Have you faced any issues with your connection?

Also I frequently read posts on this and other linux lists that their modems don't work well (out of box) with linux. How was your experience?

Regards, Nitesh

Yes, seemed like a good plan to me too. I got a connection on 25th of March but couldn't get a stable download link till the 15th of this month. I finally canacelled the connection.

I would get a download for about 15 minutes to an hour and then nothing would come down the pipe for periods of over two to three hours. Not even a ping.

The modem is still lying at my place. The link still takes over two hours to stabilise after switching on the modem. They still haven't found what the problem is.

MTNL has 2 trouble areas but that is curable. One is their DNS servers and the other is their black router that they are now giving with new connections. In these boxes, out of the 4 LAN ports, only 1 and 4 work properly. The center 2 are as good as duds. Other than that the wiring of the telephone line should be good. Avoid too many parallel connections. Buy extra ADSL splitters and add them to the parallel phones, in case the wiring cannot be modified through the single splitter.

On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 20:08 +0530, Sanket Shah wrote:

About speed limits, 320 and 512 will come anytime and when people in your branch are not using you get higher speeds. I'm getting 245 KB/sec max in afternoons and late nights. I m able to get 700MB distros in an hr. No other ISP provides this.

I tried MTNL for a month and have decided to give it up because Hathway has upgraded their plans and are offering the same speed at same rate as I have for MTNL i.e. 1mbps ul for Rs999. But, with Hathway I have barely had any downtime compared to 4 days for MTNL in just 1 month. Also, with MTNL, I have been getting dial up like speeds for 1-2 hour quite randomly for no reason whatsoever. Overall I am not satisfied with the quality of connection from MTNL.

Arun Khan wrote:

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Mehul Ved mehul.n.ved@gmail.com wrote:

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I tried MTNL for a month and have decided to give it up because Hathway has upgraded their plans and are offering the same speed at same rate as I have for MTNL i.e. 1mbps ul for Rs999. But, with Hathway I have barely had any downtime compared to 4 days for MTNL in just 1 month. Also, with MTNL, I have been getting dial up like speeds for 1-2 hour quite randomly for no reason whatsoever. Overall I am not satisfied with the quality of connection from MTNL.

Agree lately, I have had some connectivity problems - during the morning hours, I have found that the modem is in disconnected state. Pulling out the DSL line and reconnecting usually solves it.

Check your wiring and replace with new ones if possible. Look for parallel phones. Even having a parallel phone connected (on-hook) loads the line. Replace old splitter with a new one.

Arun Khan wrote:

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:

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Arun Khan wrote:

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On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Mehul Ved mehul.n.ved@gmail.com wrote:

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I tried MTNL for a month and have decided to give it up because Hathway has upgraded their plans and are offering the same speed at same rate as I have for MTNL i.e. 1mbps ul for Rs999. But, with Hathway I have barely had any downtime compared to 4 days for MTNL in just 1 month. Also, with MTNL, I have been getting dial up like speeds for 1-2 hour quite randomly for no reason whatsoever. Overall I am not satisfied with the quality of connection from MTNL.

Agree lately, I have had some connectivity problems - during the morning hours, I have found that the modem is in disconnected state. Pulling out the DSL line and reconnecting usually solves it.

Check your wiring and replace with new ones if possible. Look for parallel phones. Even having a parallel phone connected (on-hook) loads the line. Replace old splitter with a new one.

Rony,

Thanks for pointing out the basics. My wiring setup is as per the instructions given by MTNL i.e. Twisted Pair line coming in to premise goes into the splitter, DSL port cable goes to DSL modem and Line port cable goes to the telephone.

Line port cable goes to the telephone? Maybe just a typo.

Just try a new splitter. Even if it does not solve your problem, at least you have a new one. Nice and shiny :-)

(?????) Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:

Conclusion Use your owned router, dont use rented. setting up instructions are there on website. Be patient, MTNL Office is typical sarkari office Learn Basic troubleshooting If anything goes wrong, you wont have anyone turn up for at least a week

Be careful when using your own router. If they cannot figure out a problem, they simply blame it on the router and wash their hands off. They did it once with me when I could not reach any Access Concentrator therefore could not authenticate myself. Even after telling them the reason for the fault they made me go through the routine process of reseting my connections etc. After a week or 10 days they happily declared that my router was bad and I should replace it. I simply told them to replace it as it was theirs. Then they rectified the problem which was at their server end.

On 26-Apr-2010, at 2:34 PM, Sanket Shah wrote:

2010/4/26 (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar revant.one@gmail.com

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The repair/setup staff cannot operate anything else than XP

Have you tried to get a sify guy to set up for Linux ? Or a bharti or try to explain to the reliance webworld that you need to use it on a linux laptop.......

I havent tried tata yet.....

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Well I havent seen a single ISP with skills for non windows machines for the users. They have linux on their servers and they really are not sure how to work on that as well.

I got rid of my local ISP (SSV, a major one in Navi Mumbai) since it was having a login page that i had to keep open for browsing. It was the same with Reliance Broadband. Thats best in MTNL, always on connection with nothing required.

Also my local ISP had really bad wiring (They got wires out from the terrace to our apartment from the balcony, so when a bird gets hungry my Internet goes off!). Also the network had a lot of downtime, 1-2 hrs daily mainly due to frequent load shedding in Navi Mumbai side, but the MTNL works even in load shedding. Their servers would go down in nights and may not work thru the night. And their plasn were very expensive. They are mainly the buyers of Sify broadband and are trying to keep the infrastructure of sify working.

As the market matures, the local cable operators cant keep up. It is not going to work.

They never listen to your complaints and never verbally co-operate

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(all rigid voices, sometimes I feel they are paying me to use service) They take ages to solve simplest of problems (connection took 5 days, replacing faulty router took another 5) be patient Everytime the stupidest tech-staff shows you face, he needs 50-100 rupees unofficially

On call center @1500 I found the people quite polite and helpful. Of course they may not be as skilled as the private call centers but were quite decent and at par with them. They had call center in 3 languages and had very little hold time.

Same here, no problem with the call center. I find the call centers of other ISPs just as bad technically. Even the thought of calling reliance for anything is a nightmare for my office guys.

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Tech-people are originally their phone network repairmen, but same guys do everything

True, in this sense tata and reliance fellas may be better.

-- Sanket Shah -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

On Monday 26 Apr 2010 10:35:53 pm Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:

On 26-Apr-2010, at 2:34 PM, Sanket Shah wrote:

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2010/4/26 (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar revant.one@gmail.com

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The repair/setup staff cannot operate anything else than XP

Have you tried to get a sify guy to set up for Linux ? Or a bharti or try to explain to the reliance webworld that you need to use it on a linux laptop.......

I havent tried tata yet.....

tata at the management level at least, knows about linux. An interesting thing happened yesterday. I was asked to check out digital TVs because no one in the club management wanted to buy one and risk being yelled at if it was not linux compatible. So I took laptop and cable and went to the shop. They said 'all our TVs work with PCs, so what is the problem?' Rather than waste my time explaining to them, I said 'there is something wrong with my laptop and all TVs may not work with it - so I have come to find a TV that works with my laptop'. They were happy with that - and since I was there I checked Sony, Onida, Samsung and Panasonic - all worked. They were thrilled and said 'we *told* you that our TVs work with *all* PCs!'

On Tuesday 27 Apr 2010 12:06:29 pm jtd wrote:

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there I checked Sony, Onida, Samsung and Panasonic - all worked. They were thrilled and said 'we told you that our TVs work with all PCs!'

Purchased an LG 32LF20FR 32" with HDMI, VGA, etc. Read somewhere that it runs linux. Has a serial port and a most unusual usb debug port.

trust you to find the last surviving serial port in the world

Sanket Shah wrote:

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Tech-people are originally their phone network repairmen, but same guys do everything

True, in this sense tata and reliance fellas may be better.

I feel that beyond the basic call center help, no one actually has the authority to check server systems / records and that may be the reason why getting higher level technical help is very difficult for all ISPs. They don't want employees snooping around the servers for 'flimsy' reasons. Could lead to more trouble.

Nitesh Mistry wrote:

Plans look really good, but I've heard lot of people complaining about reliability. Have you faced any issues with your connection?

Also I frequently read posts on this and other linux lists that their modems don't work well (out of box) with linux. How was your experience?

MTNL's broadband is a blessing for Linux users. It runs out of the box in most cases. In case you cannot open websites in the DHCP mode, add the DNS servers manually in /etc/resolv.conf

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. lists@pavri.netwrote:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Rony wrote:

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MTNL's broadband is a blessing for Linux users. It runs out of the box in most cases. In case you cannot open websites in the DHCP mode, add the DNS servers manually in /etc/resolv.conf

-- Regards,

Rony.

I've had no trouble connecting from linux with Tata Indicom (wireless phone) , reliance broadband and Hathway. All have worked with a little googling. Hathway works out of the box.

My friend needed a binary and some wvdial tweaking to get MTS wireless running on Ubuntu 9.10.

Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065

On Sunday 25 April 2010 19:47:28 Rony wrote:

Sanket Shah wrote:

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the 495 plan or the 599 plan's are pretty good value for money, the 495 plan ends in 5 days.

495 plan: zero rental for landline, 320kbps to 2 mbps burst speed unlimited download. (Me getting upto 245KB/sec in low traffic times)

599 plan: 512 kbps unlimited. Again has burst speeds to 2Mbps (No landline rental included)

The plans above have speed limits of 320Kbps and 512Kbps respectively.

Rs.999 plan 1Mbps unlimited. Throughput is minimum 1Mbps and more often than not 2Mbps. I have been downloading distros galore - Sidux, Karmic, Elive (Enlightenment) etc. Two really irritating features of MTNL 1) If the modem disconnects, ever so often it wont reconnect without a cold boot (or unplug / replug MTNL line). Solution is to use a one darlington transistor connected to lpt or serial and controlled by a script, to power up/down automatically 2) Login failure due to "incorrect password" - usually once a month. This one will require a call to the local exchange DE and specifically tell him about login server. Usually resolved in an hour. The reason for the failure M$ login server at MTNL needing updates. Going thru the call center will give you ulcers and will take a week.