RMS (Richard M. Stallman) will be in Mumbai on 27th. The purpose of this email is to know if we could organize a public lecture on 27th. Please let me know your ideas: like your organization or college would like to host him and the lecture etc.
Nagarjuna
sir, I am very excited how,where,when can i meet him can i come with my friends is there any Entry fees,avenue of the lecture,Topics that will be discussed Kindly, send me the details regarding the Lectures.
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I am very excited how,where,when can i meet him can i come with my friends is there any Entry fees,avenue of the lecture,Topics that will be discussed Kindly, send me the details regarding the Lectures.
Just make sure you plan to be at Churchgate in the evening 27th August.
Rishi
On 8/13/06, nagarjun@gnowledge.org nagarjun@gnowledge.org wrote:
RMS (Richard M. Stallman) will be in Mumbai on 27th. The purpose of this email is to know if we could organize a public lecture on 27th. Please let me know your ideas: like your organization or college would like to host him and the lecture etc.
Nagarjuna
wonderful news. What are his plans? May I know the agenda?
Regards, Mohan S N
On Sunday 13 August 2006 07:00 pm, nagarjun@gnowledge.org wrote:
RMS (Richard M. Stallman) will be in Mumbai on 27th. The purpose of this email is to know if we could organize a public lecture on 27th. Please let me know your ideas: like your organization or college would like to host him and the lecture etc.
The damgers of software patents and DRM. a talk on these topics would be great.
On 8/14/06, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
On Sunday 13 August 2006 07:00 pm, nagarjun@gnowledge.org wrote:
RMS (Richard M. Stallman) will be in Mumbai on 27th. The purpose of this email is to know if we could organize a public lecture on 27th. Please let me know your ideas: like your organization or college would like to host him and the lecture etc.
The damgers of software patents and DRM. a talk on these topics would be great.
-- Rgds JTD
Can we have a talk in some place like IIT? We can then publicise the event in colleges and organizations.
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Can we have a talk in some place like IIT? We can then publicise the event in colleges and organizations. Regards, Sanket Medhi.
Who is RMS?
Sometime on Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 11:31:57AM +0530, Dinesh Kumar said:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sanket Medhi" sanketmedhi@gmail.com
Can we have a talk in some place like IIT? We can then publicise the event in colleges and organizations. Regards, Sanket Medhi.
Who is RMS?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman http://stallman.org/
Anurag
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On 08/14/2006 11:31 AM, Dinesh Kumar cobbled together some glyphs to say:
Can we have a talk in some place like IIT? We can then publicise the event in colleges and organizations.
Who is RMS?
Dinesh, a few years back somebody else asked the same question on this very list. He was then flamed to death and we never saw him on this list (or any list for that matter) again. So I'd recommend that you search the Internet for `rms'. This will help you from fading into oblivion. But in any case, I think you have already made the mistake ... fasten your seatbelt kiddo, the flames are coming :) Regards, BG
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So I'd recommend that you search the Internet for `rms'. This will help you from fading into oblivion. But in any case, I think you have already
issue is sorted out, thanks anurag
Dinesh
On 14-Aug-06, at 11:49 AM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote:
On 08/14/2006 11:31 AM, Dinesh Kumar cobbled together some glyphs to say:
Can we have a talk in some place like IIT? We can then publicise the event in colleges and organizations.
Who is RMS?
Dinesh, a few years back somebody else asked the same question on this very list. He was then flamed to death and we never saw him on this list (or any list for that matter) again. So I'd recommend that you search the Internet for `rms'. This will help you from fading into oblivion. But in any case, I think you have already made the mistake ... fasten your seatbelt kiddo, the flames are coming :) Regards,
actually it is a good, relevant question. Who is RMS? A person well known in the 20th century who has outlived his time
Sometime on Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 07:09:05PM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves said:
already made the mistake ... fasten your seatbelt kiddo, the flames are coming :) Regards,
actually it is a good, relevant question. Who is RMS? A person well known in the 20th century who has outlived his time
hmm, sounds like great idea. We should also dismiss all the efforts put in by Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru and others for freedom of India in 20th century.
Anurag
On 14-Aug-06, at 7:34 PM, Anurag wrote:
actually it is a good, relevant question. Who is RMS? A person well known in the 20th century who has outlived his time
hmm, sounds like great idea. We should also dismiss all the efforts put in by Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru and others for freedom of India in 20th century.
in fact this country only started making real progress when the ideas of the above were dropped in favour of something more practical
we had a script "rms" for our Restarting Mail Server. :-)
On 8/15/06, Vinayakam Murugan mvinayakam@gmail.com wrote:
we had a script "rms" for our Restarting Mail Server. :-)
Any of you running debian based distribution of GNU/Linnux, install the package vrms , which tells you if you are running any non-free software on your machine, and will tell how `pure' you are.
Nagarjuna
On Tuesday 15 August 2006 10:04, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
hmm, sounds like great idea. We should also dismiss all the efforts put in by Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru and others for freedom of India in 20th century.
in fact this country only started making real progress when the ideas of the above were dropped in favour of something more practical
Hahaha, agreed!
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On 08/14/2006 07:09 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves cobbled together some glyphs to say:
Who is RMS?
Dinesh, a few years back somebody else asked the same question on this very list. He was then flamed to death and we never saw him on this list (or any list for that matter) again. So I'd recommend that you search the Internet for `rms'. This will help you from fading into oblivion. But in any case, I think you have already made the mistake ... fasten your seatbelt kiddo, the flames are coming :)
actually it is a good, relevant question. Who is RMS? A person well known in the 20th century who has outlived his time
It's nice to see that people these days have learnt how to reap but are happy to forget the person who sowed the seeds in first place. People can _talk_ about the so-called FOSS or FLOSS but somehow decline to show respect to the person whose idea it was. Moreover, the biggest proponents of FOSS are at the same time the biggest users, nay supporters of non-free systems and software. They call it `practical advantages' but I would rather call it *hypocrisy*. It's all the more reason why we should talk about rms and the GNU philosophy now. If we as human beings don't know where we came from, what is the difference between us and mindless zombies then?
Regards, BG
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On Monday 14 August 2006 07:09 pm, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
actually it is a good, relevant question. Who is RMS? A person well known in the 20th century who has outlived his time
If anything he has greater relevance than ever before. Given the great "love" refugees from that other universe have for free beer software that actually works. Not to mention the shenanigans of sundry multi nationals like SonyBMG, TiVo, Linksys ad nauseum.
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 11:49:25AM +0530, Baishampayan Ghose wrote:
But in any case, I think you have already made the mistake ... fasten your seatbelt kiddo, the flames are coming :) Regards, BG
Just because a person uses linux, he need not know who is RMS. During one of our meets I had asked this question to a member too and I got a decent reply with some details about him. There is no need to get hyper about RMS queries. If people can't be polite its their negative nature and such people will only make windows really win. We will be the loosers.
Regards,
Rony.
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On 08/14/2006 08:50 PM, Rony cobbled together some glyphs to say:
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 11:49:25AM +0530, Baishampayan Ghose wrote:
But in any case, I think you have already made the mistake ... fasten your seatbelt kiddo, the flames are coming :)
Just because a person uses linux, he need not know who is RMS. During one of our meets I had asked this question to a member too and I got a decent reply with some details about him. There is no need to get hyper about RMS queries. If people can't be polite its their negative nature and such people will only make windows really win. We will be the loosers.
Ask yourself this small question --- ``What is the minimum amount of knowledge you can expect from a member of a GNU/Linux Users' Group mailing list?'' It's not really about losing or winning a war. It's about knowing _why_ we are here today. No more, no less. Let me paraphrase Eben Moglen in this --- ``People who don't know the _why_ will hardly ever understand the _how_''. That's exactly what I can see happening. People just _love_ to shout about ``Linux'' and the greatness of ``Open Source'' but fail to understand something as fundamental as ``Freedom''. Trust me, it's not just about the software, it's about the whole society. No matter how many ``Linux'' users are there in this world or how many companies support ``Open Source'', the whole Free Software revolution will remain a failure as long as we don't understand what Freedom is. Regards, BG
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On Monday 14 August 2006 21:16, Baishampayan Ghose wrote:
Ask yourself this small question --- ``What is the minimum amount of knowledge you can expect from a member of a GNU/Linux Users' Group mailing list?''
Lack of knowledge is not a crime. He at least asked the question. Asking questions and having them answered is the most basic way of getting knowledge. For someone who's a newbie in the FOSS world and from an Electronics background, RMS could simply mean Root Mean Square.
It's not really about losing or winning a war. It's about knowing _why_ we are here today. No more, no less. Let me paraphrase Eben Moglen in this --- ``People who don't know the _why_ will hardly ever understand the _how_''. That's exactly what I can see happening. People just _love_ to shout about ``Linux'' and the greatness of ``Open Source'' but fail to understand something as fundamental as ``Freedom''. Trust me, it's not just about the software, it's about the whole society. No matter how many ``Linux'' users are there in this world or how many companies support ``Open Source'', the whole Free Software revolution will remain a failure as long as we don't understand what Freedom is.
OK, fair enough. Only, I fail to see the relevance. For all we know, he might understand all that, but he may not know how it started. Does it really matter? Again, he asked the question, which is a good thing. It isn't a dumb question. I got confused the first time I heard 'RMS' simply because I didn't know his middle name starts from M. I still don't know what M stands for. Should I know? After all, it /could/ be his father's name and maybe its essential that we learn the background to RMS before we really can understand what he's doing/saying...
I could get much more philosophical and hypothetical about this, but it isn't needed.
Cheers.
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On 08/14/2006 09:58 PM, Mrugesh Karnik cobbled together some glyphs to say:
Note - I am not waging a flame war here. I am only trying to clear some confusions.
Ask yourself this small question --- ``What is the minimum amount of knowledge you can expect from a member of a GNU/Linux Users' Group mailing list?''
Lack of knowledge is not a crime. He at least asked the question. Asking questions and having them answered is the most basic way of getting knowledge. For someone who's a newbie in the FOSS world and from an Electronics background, RMS could simply mean Root Mean Square.
I agree, it's not a _crime_, and that's why there was no trial, and he was not banned from this list. Tell me what would you tell somebody who asks something extremely fundamental like ``what is a computer?'' here on this list? Not relevant you say? I say it _is_ relevant here. rms is not just some foobar bearded fellow. If you are doing FLOSS, you are supposed to know about him. Remember, I didn't flame that person, I didn't call him an idiot or something similar, I just gently indicated that he was expected to either know that already or should've searched the Internet for `rms', that's it.
It's not really about losing or winning a war. It's about knowing _why_ we are here today. No more, no less. Let me paraphrase Eben Moglen in this --- ``People who don't know the _why_ will hardly ever understand the _how_''. That's exactly what I can see happening. People just _love_ to shout about ``Linux'' and the greatness of ``Open Source'' but fail to understand something as fundamental as ``Freedom''. Trust me, it's not just about the software, it's about the whole society. No matter how many ``Linux'' users are there in this world or how many companies support ``Open Source'', the whole Free Software revolution will remain a failure as long as we don't understand what Freedom is.
OK, fair enough. Only, I fail to see the relevance. For all we know, he might understand all that, but he may not know how it started. Does it really matter? Again, he asked the question, which is a good thing. It isn't a dumb question. I got confused the first time I heard 'RMS' simply because I didn't know his middle name starts from M. I still don't know what M stands for. Should I know? After all, it /could/ be his father's name and maybe its essential that we learn the background to RMS before we really can understand what he's doing/saying...
I could get much more philosophical and hypothetical about this, but it isn't needed.
And why isn't it relevant here? How can somebody understand Newton's Laws of Motion without ever hearing about Sir Isaac Newton? rms is arguably one of the most famous and oldest surviving on-line handles a person has ever had. It started in the age of the Arpanet with RMS@MIT-MC.ARPA and is now rms@gnu.org. If you are even remotely interested in GNU/Linux, you _should_ know about GNU, the GNU Project and rms! I don't say that you need to know that the `m' in `rms' is Matthew, but you should at least have heard about Richard Stallman. After all, it's not everyday that we get to know a person like him isn't it?
Regards, BG
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On 8/14/06, Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose@ubuntu.com wrote:
Ask yourself this small question --- ``What is the minimum amount of knowledge you can expect from a member of a GNU/Linux Users' Group mailing list?''
Honestly, the first time I had started using GNU/Linux I only knew that a group of hackers built Linux and the tools around it. It took me a good few months to actually remember all the names (except Linus' for obvious reasons). In my first meet I was confused as to who/what was being referred to as RMS. I decided to wait for someone to decode it during the conversation and luckily for me someone did.
It's not really about losing or winning a war. It's about knowing _why_ we are here today. No more, no less. Let me paraphrase Eben Moglen in this --- ``People who don't know the _why_ will hardly ever understand the _how_''. That's exactly what I can see happening. People just _love_ to shout about ``Linux'' and the greatness of ``Open Source'' but fail to understand something as fundamental as ``Freedom''. Trust me, it's not just about the software,
We need to consciously separate the "Free Software Ideology" from "Free Software Repository". In that sense people know the why, as in "why do I want to switch over to linux". It's because it's free, open source, more secure, challenging, upcoming tech I must know to get a better job, etc. In terms of the Free Software Ideology most of them hardly think about the 'how', so forget about the 'why'.
People come to GLUG lists for support and we cannot disillusion ourselves by thinking otherwise. Once they're in it's our job to introduce them to the Ideology of Free Software and how it could make things better in all respects. FSF does a great job with upholding or trying to uphold the spirit of Free Software, but we do a less than satisfactory job (note the euphemism) of actually connecting with people and businesses.
it's about the whole society. No matter how many ``Linux'' users are there in this world or how many companies support ``Open Source'', the whole Free Software revolution will remain a failure as long as we don't understand what Freedom is.
Freedom is much larger than software. Ofcourse, everyone does his part and RMS has done (and is still doing) a fine job of promoting the idea of freedom in software development and usage.
Regards, Siddhesh
On 14-Aug-06, at 9:16 PM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote:
it's about the whole society. No matter how many ``Linux'' users are there in this world or how many companies support ``Open Source'', the whole Free Software revolution will remain a failure as long as we don't understand what Freedom is.
i beg to differ - it will remain a failure in India at least until people stopped sounding off and started writing code
On 14-Aug-06, at 8:50 PM, Rony wrote:
But in any case, I think you have already made the mistake ... fasten your seatbelt kiddo, the flames are coming :) Regards, BG
Just because a person uses linux, he need not know who is RMS. During one of our meets I had asked this question to a member too and I got a decent reply with some details about him. There is no need to get hyper about RMS queries. If people can't be polite its their negative nature and such people will only make windows really win.
true - i started using linux in 1996, and the first time i heard about RMS was around 2002. And so far i havent read a single thing he has written - although i have read almost everything ESR has written.
On 8/14/06, Dinesh Kumar dinesh@denabank.co.in wrote:
Who is RMS?
Good question !!. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman . it will help you to know who is "RMS" as well as many other things to help you to increase the use of this mailing list.
regards -- Rajeev Sharma
On 8/14/06, Rajeev Sharma rajeev1@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/14/06, Dinesh Kumar dinesh@denabank.co.in wrote:
Who is RMS?
Good question !!. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman . it will help you to know who is "RMS" as well as many other things to help you to increase the use of this mailing list.
regards
Rajeev Sharma
That is the most lame question I have read on this list! :P Sorry, but couldn't resist admitting it.
On 8/14/06, Sanket Medhi sanketmedhi@gmail.com wrote:
That is the most lame question I have read on this list! :P Sorry, but couldn't resist admitting it.
This was entirely unnecessary. Please lets not have a comment like the one above on this thread. It will simply spiral into a silly flamefest.
About a possible lecture, I'll try to talk to people in my colleges (Thakur, Kandivali and Ruparel, Matunga) to see if they're interested in hosting. How many people would be expected at the lecture? Also, what facilities are required?
Regards, Siddhesh
On 8/14/06, Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/14/06, Sanket Medhi sanketmedhi@gmail.com wrote:
That is the most lame question I have read on this list! :P Sorry, but couldn't resist admitting it.
This was entirely unnecessary. Please lets not have a comment like the one above on this thread. It will simply spiral into a silly flamefest.
About a possible lecture, I'll try to talk to people in my colleges (Thakur, Kandivali and Ruparel, Matunga) to see if they're interested in hosting. How many people would be expected at the lecture? Also, what facilities are required?
Thats great !! as its a sunday people can manage to come anywhere at IIT or TIRF or Thakur Collage. And by the way shouldnt we stop the "who is RMS discussion", the guy who asked it must have left the list already... We should help the new guys joining the list as they might not be having the same info & caliber compared to the gurus here on the list.
On 8/14/06, Rohit Baisakhiya rohitbaisakhiya@gmail.com wrote:
And by the way shouldnt we stop the "who
is RMS discussion", the guy who asked it must have left the list already...
The guy who asked that question is a regular member according to my knowledge.
We should help the new guys joining the list as they might not be having the
same info & caliber compared to the gurus here on the list.
I agree. Apologies, but I really feel people should know the founder of what all of us are on this list for. ( no replies expected :D )
Tentatively we have booked with SNDT Women's University's support the Patkar's Hall at Church Gate. Most likely they will host the public lecture. will keep updating as the news gets confirmed.
I am thinking of "free software, free knowledge and free society" as the topic. I will talk to him tonight and decide.
Nagarjuna
On 8/14/06, nagarjun@gnowledge.org nagarjun@gnowledge.org wrote:
Tentatively we have booked with SNDT Women's University's support the Patkar's Hall at Church Gate. Most likely they will host the public lecture. will keep updating as the news gets confirmed.
I am thinking of "free software, free knowledge and free society" as the topic. I will talk to him tonight and decide.
On Aug 16th, a seminar - "Free Software - A Necessity for Sustainable Development?" has been organized at G.D. Birla Sabhaghar from 2 PM onwards.
This is agenda of "ilug-cal".
On Sunday 13 August 2006 19:00, nagarjun@gnowledge.org wrote:
RMS (Richard M. Stallman) will be in Mumbai on 27th. The purpose of this email is to know if we could organize a public lecture on 27th. Please let me know your ideas: like your organization or college would like to host him and the lecture etc.
Nagarjuna
Since the Ganpati festival begins on 27th, I'll be busy in the morning. Would it be possible to schedule the lecture in the evening?
Sometime on Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 05:57:42PM +0530, Mrugesh Karnik said:
On Sunday 13 August 2006 19:00, nagarjun@gnowledge.org wrote:
RMS (Richard M. Stallman) will be in Mumbai on 27th. The purpose of this email is to know if we could organize a public lecture on 27th. Please let me know your ideas: like your organization or college would like to host him and the lecture etc.
Nagarjuna
Since the Ganpati festival begins on 27th, I'll be busy in the morning. Would it be possible to schedule the lecture in the evening?
We plan to keep it around 5PM. I'll post detailed invitation once we have all the details finalised.
Anurag
On Friday 18 August 2006 18:07, Anurag wrote:
Sometime on Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 05:57:42PM +0530, Mrugesh Karnik
said:
Since the Ganpati festival begins on 27th, I'll be busy in the morning. Would it be possible to schedule the lecture in the evening?
We plan to keep it around 5PM. I'll post detailed invitation once we have all the details finalised.
Ah that'll be great, thanks :D
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