Linuxers November 2002

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Commercial ILUG
by Amol Hatwar 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Hi, Natrajan's information regarding ILUG Chennai sent a lot of my cells racing. I agree that free support is a good thing. But then what about the people whom we support that work for commercial organizations? Lets take a hypothetical case: Mr. A works for ABC Corp. who has investments in Linux in terms of development, support and even customers. Now Mr. A is a fresher and doesn't know GNU/Linux much... a Perl based project comes up, and then he runs helter skelter for help. Mr. Cool is cool with GNU/Linux and yes he knows Perl! Mr. Cool helps Mr. A out with difficulties... and ABC Corp doles the project out... because Mr. A completed it on time. Mr. A agined... ABC Corp. gained... what did Mr. Cool gain? Now I am not cool with that. Maybe I won't go with what ILUG Chennai does... but yes maybe we can charge support requests from commerical organisations. (That will help me tolerate those irritating signatures). Charging will also mean one more thing... people will look carefully at the list archives before winging something in. Regards, -ah

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ASUS 3005 32 mb on RedHat 7.3
by Bentzy Sagiv 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

>>Hello, >>I just installed PCQ Redhat 7.1. on my new P4 1.5 on 10gb hdd with = >>win2000 insstalled on the 40gb. >>i am able 2 run both win200 and linux with dual booting=20 >>my prob is that in haste i forgot to configure the vga card, i have asus = >>v3005 32mb, this was not shown in the list. i learnt from a friend that = >>i could've used sis 300 (is it in the list shown by redhat??). =20 >>now i am not able 2 startx. >>my question is how do i configure X windows to take the correct drivers = >>for with re-installing linux all over again. >>my vga card is agp asus v3005 32mb ram >>monitor is lg studioworks 563N >>please help! =20 >>nilesh Hi Nilesh! I have exactly the same problem!!!!!!!Have you the solution?? I have RHL 7.3. My monitor is proview 772 Thank you at advance. Bentzy Sagiv Vidyatel Ltd. bentzy(a)vidyatel.com

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linux lunacy.....talks...debian??
by Gurpreet Singh 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

hello this is regarding the talks on the "linux lunacy" trip to be held on the 22nd of dec. can a something be arranged in terms of debian?? a talk may be that wud make people get over the fear of those 7 big CDs , pick them up and start installing. Maybe something that says why debian is a better choice(i've just heard people saying this, no flames plz :D).. and if can also include a quick installation touches, it'd be great. any volunteers?? regards Gurpreet ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D ---------------------------------------------

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linux lunacy.....talks...debian??
by Gurpreet Singh 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

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India IT club newsletter.... can we benefit from it??
by Gurpreet Singh 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

hello luggerz look at this http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc i came across this newsletter which comes from the Tokyo office of India Trade Promotion Organization(the organization which runs the pragati maidan in delhi, it also has an export promotion deptt). The compiler of this newsletter Mr. N.K. Sehgal is a close family friend of ours. I am not too sure about the audience of this newsletter but it must be going to the big export houses related to s/w exports in japan and india, and also to a few more people... now, i think i can convince mr sehgal to bail out some space for our GNU cause on his newsletter. but this comes at a later stage. ******************************************************************* ****i would like some of u experienced people to analyze the newsletter and try to determine if it can be a useful platform for us.******* **************************************************************** if u guys say that this shud be done, i'll **try** my part of convincing him. so go on people, the newsletter is up at http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc (now this is in M$ word format, dont flame me for that, i didnt make it :D) ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D ---------------------------------------------

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 23 ppls registered callin for more.....linux-l unacy
by Nikhil Kale 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

BTW ... is there anyway i can remove my name from the list i.e. the guys coming for the picnic? i cant make it on 8th. Regards, Nikhil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" <scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:59:42 +0530 To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Subject: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 23 ppls registered callin for more.....linux-lunacy > One of my collegues, who is not on this list, wants to come along. Is there > any restriction on that ? > > Regards > Saswata > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trevor Warren" <trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu> > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Cc: <trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:21 PM > Subject: Fw: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 23 ppls registered callin for > more.....linux-lunacy > > > > > > On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:33:02 +0530 > > "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Luggers.... > > > > > > > > http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/showwho.php > > > > > > > > 17pple and calling for more.... > > > > > > > Roll me in! > > [snip] > > > > Pls sign up dear. The url is as stated above. Just remove the > > showwho.php. > > > > Also...call all of those to-be lugger who wanna have fun and learn > > too..:) > > > > Bye for now. > > > > Trevor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amol Hatwar > > > > > > -- > > ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) > > /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ > > | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | > > |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| > > \___________________________________/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > > > -- > > ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) > > /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ > > | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | > > |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| > > \___________________________________/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > Nikhil Kale Software Engineer. Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. NikhilKale(a)linuxmail.org NikhilKale(a)indiatimes.com -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze

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Group urges limits on open source
by Kiran Nadgir 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

The U.S. Defense Department should think twice before embracing open-source software, a trade association is advising. The Initiative for Software Choice, which counts Microsoft, Cisco Systems and Intel among its backers, said in comments filed Tuesday that the department should "avoid crafting needless and potentially detrimental IT policy to promote the use" of open-source software. "Open source" means every software developer can view the source code for software, modify it, and use it for free. The initiative, which launched in May and is chaired by a group called CompTIA, an organization that has close ties to Microsoft, is worried about a recent report that concluded the Defense Department relies on open-source software and recommended its further adoption. Written by defense contractor MITRE, the report said that free and open-source software "plays a more critical role in the (Defense Department) than has been generally recognized" and endorsed it as a viable alternative to proprietary Microsoft products. This week, the Initiative for Software Choice counterattacked, telling the Defense Information Systems Agency that the Pentagon should not "openly promote the use" of open-source software, arguing that proprietary products are not inherently less secure. The group also assailed the General Public License (GPL), which generally permits programmers to incorporate code released under the GPL as long as they make their own source code available. "While the law on this matter remains untested, it makes sense for companies to be highly risk-averse in this area, striking a more defensive posture when confronted with software development that may implicate GPL code or similar coding environments," the initiative said. "Commercial and hybrid software developers generally do not want to risk losing their investment." Proprietary software companies such as Microsoft have labeled open-source software as a serious threat and have begun to oppose its use by governments. At the same time, however, nations such as France and Germany have begun to encourage open-source software to limit their dependence on proprietary vendors and to stimulate local software development. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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your security on the Internet
by kishor bhagwat 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Hello folks, chk out this link if you use a Winbox http://drorshalev.brinkster.net/dev/ Those without a winbox shld try this link on their friends' machines! Try some of the stuff under Free Style, it gives a good demo of how unsafe you are in the wild world of the Internet! regds, aaaaarrrgghhh __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Software license tied to human rights
by Kiran Nadgir 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Link to the article - http://news.com.com/2100-1023-975638.html?tag=lh Move over, free software. Step aside, today's open-source licenses. Software distributed under an "enhanced source" license released this week will be legally prohibited from censoring or spying on users. Crafted by Hacktivismo, a hacking group organized by the Cult of the Dead Cow, the Hacktivismo enhanced-source software license agreement says that anyone using code released under it must respect privacy, free expression, due process and other human rights. HESSLA comes as concern is growing over governments using technology such as blocking software to restrict what their citizens can do or say online. In September, House Republicans released a report titled "Tear Down This Firewall," and this week, Amnesty International published a report highlighting China's crackdown on Internet use. "The Hacktivismo enhanced-source software license agreement marks the first time technology transfer has been linked to protecting human rights," said Oxblood Ruffin, founder of Hacktivismo. "Our clients and end-users aren't building the firewalls to keep democracy out. They're locked inside trying to break free." In July, Ruffin published a manifesto that referenced the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights and said Internet censorship is "a serious form of organized and systematic violence against citizens, is intended to generate confusion and xenophobia and is a reprehensible violation of trust." Hacktivismo's license says that any government that violates human rights is prohibited from using software released under it. The "enhanced source" license intentionally tracks much of the language of the well-known General Public License and borrows most of the GPL's concepts, such as the one that says anyone incorporating code released under the license in their program must also make the source code of their program available. In fact, Hacktivismo recommends that programmers release their code under both licenses. One problem Hacktivismo might encounter is that the current license is so broad it discourages developers from using it. For instance, it bans governments, individuals and corporations from any "monitoring of individuals," which might apply to popular network monitoring utilities, and bans "filtering" of any expression, which could cover routine utilities such as spam-filtering programs. Another section of the license requires that the creator of any program that uses cryptography for authentication or confidentiality must ensure that the algorithms meet minimum security thresholds. And if any disputes arise involving another nation, the license says, foreign governments relinquish their right of sovereign immunity and agree to be sued in federal court in the United States. The license enables both Hacktivismo and its end-users to go to court if someone tries to use the software in a malicious manner, or to introduce harmful changes into the software. It also contains more robust language than has previously been used to maximize enforcement against governments around the world. The HESSLA explicitly prohibits anybody from introducing "spyware, surveillance technology, or other undesirable code into modified versions of HESSLA-licensed programs." Additionally, the license prohibits any use of the software by any government that has any policy or practice of violating human rights. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] top posting (was: Redhat 8 CD's)
by Philip S Tellis 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Sameer's signature said: > FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #5 > A: The Halls of Montezuma and the Shores of Tripoli. > Q: Name two families whose kids won't join the Marines. talk about posting answers before questions!!

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Linuxers November 2002