Linuxers October 2006

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Eudora mail client to be opensourced
by Harsh Busa 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

Eudora To Be Set Free The next version of Qualcomm's alternative e-mail client will be released as an open-source application built on the same code as Mozilla Thunderbird. http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2006/10/eudora_goes_ope.html -- __________________________ http://www.ebackend.com/blog

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Need help in configuring and building kernel 2.6.16.18
by The Xirtna 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

hi, I am reading the book Linux Device Drivers 3rd edition(alessandro rubini) ,in the second chapter about 'Building and Running Modules', the book says that : ------------------------- % make make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.10' CC [M] /home/ldd3/src/misc-modules/hello.o Building modules, stage 2. MODPOST CC /home/ldd3/src/misc-modules/hello.mod.o LD [M] /home/ldd3/src/misc-modules/hello.ko make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.10' % su root# insmod ./hello.ko Hello, world root# rmmod hello Goodbye cruel world root# Please note once again that , for the above sequence of commands to work,you must have a properly configured and built kernel tree in a place where the makefile is able to find it(/usr/src/linux-2.6.10 in the example shown). ---------------------------- what does it means to have a configured and built kernel? , does it mean that i need to compile the kernel? I have the source of kernel 2.6.16.18 in the /root directory, how do i configure and build it? Please help I am totally new to device drivers!

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Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Philip Tellis 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/9/25/161 Interesting insights about licencing of the kernel.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

2006/10/10, Mrugesh Karnik <mrugeshkarnik(a)gmail.com>: > If you have such issues, don't let people use > the tools. But again, that goes against freedom, doesn't it? What I hate about you FSF people is that you try and steal credit. I don't agee. What FSF is asking is the credit it rightly deserves. You > just said the same thing again... Use GNU in the name? WHY? Make up a > name that highlights freedom, _very very clearly_. GNU represents users freedom. Oh and mind you, you say GNU/Linux not GNU & Linux. The only place where > I've seen that second term used is on those stickers: > > "GNU + Linux, the dynamic duo". > > I think that's fair. Clearly states that Linux is a separate project. > GNU/Linux does not do that. May be you misunderstood. GNU/Linux is clear. May be GNU+Linux is clearer. > But, why not work in favor of FSF's interest, if FSF's > > agenda is to protect your and my freedom. When we are requesting > > people to adopt GPLv3, it is not to snatch anything from from you, > > but to prevent it from getting snatched. > > Highlight "request". I agree with Linus. If the kernel developers think > that GPL 3 is no good for the kernel, so be it. Let it be under GPL 2. > Why create an issue? Highlight "request". GPL protect users Freedom. So when we have threats (like software patents, DRM ...) to users freedom we need to defend it. GPLv3 is trying to cover some of the shortcomings of GPL v2. It has be around for 15 years and a lot of things has changed and new threats have come. So we need to equip ourselves for new conditions. Cheers Praveen -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr

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challenge configuring pppoe, can some one help with following error messages?
by krishnakant Mane 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

hello all, I had previously posted this problem to ilug and got very good help from many. some one had asked me to post the log messages (I can't recall who it was, sorry ). so here is an abstract from my recent 3 days of usage. I have tried time and time again to connect over pppoe. my lan cards are eth 0 and eth1, but my internet cable is connected to eth1. here goes the log messages. Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab kernel: eth1: link up, 10Mbps, half-duplex, lpa 0x0000 Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 10 Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab kernel: Disabled Privacy Extensions on device c039b000(lo) Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab kernel: IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab pppd[7730]: pppd 2.4.3 started by root, uid 0 Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab pppd[7730]: Using interface ppp0 Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab pppd[7730]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/1 Jan 1 14:59:30 csslab pppd[7730]: Warning - secret file /etc/ppp/pap-secrets has world and/or group access Jan 1 15:00:00 csslab pppd[7730]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Jan 1 15:00:04 csslab pppd[7730]: Modem hangup Jan 1 15:00:04 csslab pppd[7730]: Using interface ppp0 Jan 1 15:00:04 csslab pppd[7730]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/2 Jan 1 15:00:04 csslab pppd[7730]: Connection terminated. Jan 1 15:00:09 csslab pppd[7730]: Exit. as you might have noticed the connection times out. I don't know what is the actual problem. my eth 0 is used to connect another computer which is now shareing internet via windows. but that's not what I intend to do. never the less my eth 1 has internet cable connected and I had used ./go command to configure pppoe for the same lan card. I had configured it to come up on demand and had not specified the time for which the link should stay up. is that the problem? if that is the case, how do I answer the question asked by ./go command for "should the connection come up on demand?" or some thing similar? thanking all. Krishnakant.

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browser incompatibility: MTNL Trust line
by Abhishek Daga 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

I had to look up the mtnl trustline site for getting digital signatures. http://www.mtnltrustline.com/keygencheck.htm It does not work with firefox. What a bummer. An email pop3 client is required for using these signatures. They have explcitly mentioned OE. Does anyone know if they work with thunderbird or evolution? thanks abhishek

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] browser incompatibility: MTNL Trust line
by Amish Mehta 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

--- Abhishek Daga <abhishekdaga(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I had to look up the mtnl trustline site for getting > digital signatures. > > http://www.mtnltrustline.com/keygencheck.htm > > It does not work with firefox. Not just mtnltrustline but MCA site does not work with firefox as well. So basically you need to: 1) Buy Windows XP 2) Use IE 6+ (with ActiveX enabled) > An email pop3 client is required for using these > signatures. They have explcitly mentioned OE. Does > anyone know if they work with thunderbird or > evolution? It works with Adobe reader v 7 on Linux though. And certificate is in standard format. So it should work with thunderbird. But wont be of much use as MTNL is NOT world recognised CA. MCA site is also insecure (uses http instead of https). Cookie is just simple JSESSIONID. Once your friendly neighbour sniffs it he gets access to your account. And guess what, this site is developed by TCS, leading software company of India. Totally not upto the mark or professional in my opinion. They have made it fully OS and browser dependent and unlikely that they would be interested in making it an independent one. Amish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Nagarjuna G. 12 Oct '06

12 Oct '06

2006/10/10, Abhishek Choudhary <choudhary(a)indicybers.net>: > Well why not "Linux/GNU" instead of "GNU/Linux"? Is it some age factor? :) > > All right, if you use Hurd then probably only GNU or Hurd/GNU! To be > clear, show me one machine that runs vanilla "GNU". Amusing right - you > might think I am a novice who does not know why one needs a kernel! If > _you_ do understand the need for a kernel then why emphasize that GNU is > an "Operating System" instead of claiming it to be what it actually is - a > wonderful "toolchain". > GNU is an operating system, and that is why the prooject talks of everything:kernel+userland+toolchain+desktop etc., GNU project is a comprehensive project. The kernel is still taking the first steps, falling now and then, the toddler way. This project did not start now, but in 1984. Why do you say it is JUST a tool chain, when you know that without it no free software can be made, maintained and distributed free. If you use 'JUST a x' to a dispensable thing, you may be right. Prove that it is dispensable. Kernel is indispensable, so we embrace all free kernels. > Well then GNU is indeed dependent on Linux, just as the latter is > dependent on it. Lets call a chair a chair and a table a table. that is why I called it symbiosis. we are not those who excluded it, the others did so. So tell them dependable core things cannot be excluded. > Then why does GPL tend to restrict it? Why are non-English versions of GPL > not officially available? (correct me if this is novice Q) Why does GPL > not address the issues regarding localisation? Why does GPL take away ones > rights to actually write prorietary code derived from it? Suicidal! Because, that kills freedom of others, and does not preserve the existing freedom. If we dont preserve existing GPL code, it does not stay, grow, multiply, and inherit. The restriction in GPL is intended to protect freedom from evaporating. Invention of copyleft is one of the greatest hacks of the last century, which made all this possible. Growth of freedom is possible only in a copyleft culture. In short, to protect the freedom. > (Forgive me if I > have touched on a painful nerve) There are numerous commercial software > vendors who use GNU software in their commercial stuff. For instance HP- > UX. All of us who have used it know the extent to which GNU is a part of > HP-UX. It suits HP's model. They are a hardware vendor, and make money > from hardware more than they do from software. However, think of a small > time developer. An individual who has his aspiations, dreams, wishes, and > a word in his heart which reads like "freedom". If he were to develop a > very niche piece of software, he would be forced to make public his source > code because he cannot use commercial tool-chain, and is therefore left > with GNU, which implies his code falls under the GPL license. Now whose > freedom are we talking about??? I am not clear. If he is the original author of the program, then he is free to decide. Please read http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html > Please! Lets talk freedom - freedom as in free, lest freedom becomes the > next f-word! Look at the 95% of our population to whom all of this > discussion just does not make any sense. No not because it is not > relevant, but because it is in English! That is why, let us work hard to localize all applications to Indian languages, then 65% people will have potential access. > it!!!!!! Still not. Come on get down to producing some real work now. > Probably instead of keying in useless comments and counter comments, > concentrate on keying in at least a few lines of code. You will certainly > be helping FSF a lot more that way. And indeed if you also do something > for the 95% (which many of you involved in Indic localisation are actually > doing), then trust me you will also have done a lot of good > towards "Freedom". You are right, that is why I contribute to Indic-computing, as well as to another GNU project (GNOWSYS). Other projects that I contribute to are gnowledge.org, gnoware.org, the Indic fonts (Gargi, Samyak) and supervising several others. There are others in this list too who are active contributors. True, working is more fun. Nagarjuna

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Anybody has Freespire LIVE CD?
by Roshan 12 Oct '06

12 Oct '06

Hello list, Anyone who has tried Freespire LIVE CD, if available? Can someone burn a copy for me? -- http://360.yahoo.com/sriram4420 __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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[OT] A case of ransom.
by Rony 12 Oct '06

12 Oct '06

Hello All, I know a CA who uses a legal version of $ally 5.4. He cannot open data created by 7.2, so I asked him why does he not upgrade, since he is a legal user, upgrade must be free as in beer. He said that upgrade or new version costs the same. I feel, this is nothing but holding the customer to ransom as his clients' data made on 7.2 is as good as locked, till he buys the new version. While data created in 5.4 can be imported into 7.2, data created in 7.2 cannot be reverse ported on 5.4. What I want to know is that can 5.4 users legally force $ally to provide reverse portability into older versions as they are still legal? Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry

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