Linuxers August 2006

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Configuring mtnl broadband ...
by Navin Daund 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

Hi All, WISH YOU ALL A VERY HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!!! Thanks for replying quick to help me configure mtnl broadband, however I am not good at CUI commands. when I run Internet connection wizard, I get crashdump which is attached herewith for your information. It says, An unhandled exception is occured. When I do #netconfig on root prompt, it allows me to set IP, subnet, gateway and nameserver, but after I select OK, it comes back to prompt. When I do #service named restart, it says cannot find localhost. When we do #service network restart, it comes back to prompt. If I go back to #netconfig, I find all values blank as if it is aloowing me to input fresh values again. I am not sure if the installation is complete in all respect, though there was not a single error while gui installation. I am using IBM netvist 6824 P-IV 1.8, 128 MB, onboard intel ethernet and red hat 9.0. please help me with this. Thanks and regards,

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BSD
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

>> The goal of the BSD license is to promote the development of useful >> software. How it is used and what benefits the end users gain (or >> lose) are not relevant to the programmers who want to contribute code >> under this license. >> >> If I want to see my software widely used and don't care about the fact >> that the end user may not be able to modify it, I would choose the BSD >> license. > are you sure bsd-style licenses forbid enduser modification? Most of the > internet is down for me, so i couldnt verify this As far as I know, BSD allows 'someone' to make a derivative work out of a 'free' work and then prohibit the community from looking at the source, changing, modifying or distributing it further. In fact Microsoft did just that with the TCP/IP stack developed by BSD. Note that the license does not prohibit from making enduser modification, but allows others to prohibit, whereas the GPL prohibits the others from prohibiting. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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[Commercial] Job Opening for the post of System Administrator.
by gautam borad 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

Dear Group Members, There is an opening for the position of System Administrator at Eisodus Networks Pvt. Ltd. [www.eisodus.com] Job Requirements . Redhat/Gentoo Linux server administration . Windows 2003 server administration . Networking skills, firewall, subnetting, routing etc. . Customizing distros, software management (Gentoo/FC/Redhat) . Database management . Backup management (Data includes SVN data) . Printer and scanner management . Email Account creation and management . Performance optimization . Scripting skills . Website management . Troubleshooting skills . Strong interest in technology . Excellent verbal and written communication skills Job location : Mumbai. Those interested may mail their profiles immediately to gautam(a)eisodus.com with "Pos: Sys Ad." in the subject line.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

>> My observation is that most of these people are simple-minded ignorant >> characters who need someone to 'drill' the facts into their head. > This statement comes as a surprise from you. Why is everybody expected > to know about gnu or freedom (software) when everyone is not from the > computer software field and has switched over from windows to linux as > an operating system only. Ideologies take time to get induced and > spread. Hehehehe... Arey I have seen Computer Science & Engineering majors and their teachers make such 'mistakes' or even graver ones. People of this category often talk about GCC, GNOME, GRUB, BASH, blah blah... without ever realising that GNU does have something to do with it. I have a guy who keeps chasing me to fix some issue with his GRUB, but I bet he has no idea about the GPL or RMS. Talking about the common man, many of them are quite familiar about Linux, but no inkling about GNU. They think Linus Torvalds is this amazing programmer, and I would not be suprised if they said "Hacker to Ankit Fadia hai bhai, yeh Richard Stallman koun hai?" This is sick, because if it was not for the GNU and its GPL then even the Linux kernel would not have here as it is today. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Non-sensensical people like me?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

I will appreciate if you atleast CC your replies to the list. > I remember being part of this list once and I unsubscribed because of > non-sense people like Debarshi. Please elaborate. > After all this bull-shit in this thread, I am again going off the > list. This list just talks about the politics. Grow up Debarshi et al. You see it all started when someone thought RMS has outgrown his relevance in response to a honest question regarding the identity of RMS. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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BSD: Marketing
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

>> Umm...not to belittle BSD community but BSD isn't not exactly known >> widely, is it? Sure, they have great stuff but its not always superior > Marketing. True. Strangely there isn't much to prove this. Why did not Redhat, Cygnus or Canonical choose to go the BSD way? My guess is nobody likes the prospect of having M$ laying its hands on the code. ;-) I have heard Mark Shuttleworth say that he started with the GPL, shifted to BSD because he realised that the GPL was restrictive, then he reverted back to the GPL. Cheerio, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

>> PostgresSQL, Apache, Subversion, ZOPE, Python are definitely FOSS. > then why have they rejected the GPL - must be something wrong with them > (according to your theory) I am neither proposing nor propagating any theory. All that I am saying is no matter how much one loves the ideals of the BSD and the Open Source Definition, one has to have read the GPL or the Free Software Definition. Not only because the FSD predates the BSD, but also because you need to know about something in order to criticise it. If someone is fond of ESR, BSD, OSD, Bruce Perens, etc. I have no issues as long as they do not indulge in berating 'others', where 'others' are people from whom ESR and Bruce Perens have derived their ideas. (Ref: Revolution OS) Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

> If you are even remotely > interested in GNU/Linux, you _should_ know about GNU, the GNU Project > and rms! I don't say that you need to know that the `m' in `rms' is > Matthew, but you should at least have heard about Richard Stallman. True. But it is not so easy. Everyday I come across people who know about Linux, but not about GNU; people who know about Open Source but not about Free Software; people who know about Linus Torvalds and not about RMS. It is a very sorry state of affairs, but thats a reality. This is in no way helped by the constant debates on why one should call it GNU/Linux instead of Linux or the other way around. My observation is that most of these people are simple-minded ignorant characters who need someone to 'drill' the facts into their head. This very person who does not know who RMS is or what GNU is might already know Linus Torvalds. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

>> > no, i havent read the GPL. The first software i released was on CPAN >> > - for license i just put 'same as perl'. Later, for my sf projects i >> > chose GPL because it was the first choice on the sf list. >> So is not 'F' the first character of FOSS? And dont you use NRC-FOSS >> as your signature? If you have not read/understood the GPL then that >> 'F' does not make any sense to you. Before going any further, let me >> tell you such behaviour will severely reduce your credibility. > you mean postgresql, apache, subversion, zope, python are all not FOSS? You got me totally wrong. PostgresSQL, Apache, Subversion, ZOPE, Python are definitely FOSS. All that I meant was, someone who uses the word FOSS, meaning Free & Open Source Software, in his signature must have read the GNU GPL. One paragraph at least. If you have not and think RMS has lost his relevance then kindly use OSS instead of FOSS. You are gravely misleading people. Why so? I think so, because as Devdas corectly pointed out, the concept of Free Software predates the concepts of Open Source Software, and all major proponents of Open Source like Bruce Perens, Eric S. Raymond (ESR) have a high regard for Free Software ideals, the GNU GPL, and RMS. (Ref: Revolution OS). > So what > happens to your credibility - you work on python/zope/subversion. I do not know. But then I am not worried since I do not indulge in RMS bashing, although I tend to use his initials at times in contexts which some people do not approve of. :D (BG?) But then they are free to state their opinion. Moreover neither am I claiming to something absurd as not having read anything written by RMS and everything from ESR. I am a GNU developer and I have read the GPL, although I might admit that I do not clearly understand the GFDL. I do not I am making any false claims anywhere. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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[OT] An appeal
by Nagarjuna G. 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

(If you are a commmon member of the lists to which this email is sent, you get more than one copy of this mail, sorry.) As many of you know FSF India is organizing GPL V3 Conference at Bangalore, (http://gplv3.gnu.org.in). The response to the conference was overwhelming, and we already recieved registrations beyond the capacity. We thank you all for the enthusiastic response. Due to recent increased security restrictions on both International and national airlines, some of our guests were diverted to other less restrictive airlines which allowed laptops and books. Making these alternative arragements to our guests caused doubling of the expenses, and cancellation expenses. In some cases refunds were also not possible. As a result FSF India does not have these extra funds at this moment. We thought of bringing this to the notice of free software community, and explore the possibility of support. This is an appeal to contribute to FSF India. Since we do not have enough time to make alternative arrangements we seek your active support at this needy hour. Even if the support is small from each of you, if more people give a small sum, we will be able to make sure this will happen. The additional required budget is around Rs. 150,000/- (or around $3000/-). If you also know any one who could sponsor a ticket or part of the ticket do let us know. The conference registration was kept free and we thought we could manage well with our earlier budgets. Conference registration continues to be free, but do consider sending donations. You may also consider becoming taking fellowship (http://www.gnu.org.in/fellowship). http://www.gnu.org.in/donate#account FSF Account information: Free Software Foundation of India. Acc No : 632000002698 Bank : HDFC Bank LTD. Branch : Trivandrum. FSF India have 80G status under Income Tax Act. All donations to FSF India are tax-deductible (by order number: C. No 302/ADIT(E)/24/2005-05 Dated: 25/01/06 ). Please note that, for the time being, we are unable to accept donations from outside India. Thanks Nagarjuna

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