Who let the dogs out? On a more serious note, it is good that some of these issues did come out so that we get a chance to see where we stand on each of them.
[snip] 1. "looking at posts from the last few days, it seems that there is no more quality left in this list." 2. "Unfortunately, we will always have people who post without subject lines, or subject lines that says 'Help'"
So this list is only for sys admins? The other Linux users should seek
help or information elsewhere? People don't discuss issues here to impress others with "quality". They have problems and ask for solutions, and I think this makes this list a good source of tactical knowledge in the Linux area. If you take that away, this list is pretty much devoid of utility.
Common questions can be clubbed together to form FAQs, which new
members should see before they arrive at the sign-in info page for this list. This would do away with Phillip's common nagging questions problem.
[snip] "For programming jobs, there is also a lot of Free software that needs to be developed. You will find projects on sourceforge, savannah and freshmeat. You will probably not get paid for this ..."
I'm sure new converts will find this extremely encouraging.
[snip] "To those who want information urgently - pay for commercial support."
Once again this list is losing out on tactical Linux knowledge if
commercial companies solve those problems. They obviously will not share their solution with us here.
[snip] "Finally, don't ask for help on Linux 8.0. No one has it... yet."
Dude, whats Linux 8.0? If its new, I'd like to hear about it. Wouldn't
you?
Best wishes, Clinton Goveas http://www.clintongoveas.com
--- "Life. Liberty. Pursuit of Happiness."
-----Original Message----- From: linuxers-admin@mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers-admin@mm.ilug-bom.org.in] On Behalf Of Philip S Tellis Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 7:52 PM To: Linux Users Subject: [ILUG-BOM] list going to the dogs
looking at posts from the last few days, it seems that there is no more quality left in this list.
We have people asking the list for jobs (many have been rejected before reaching the list). We have people searching for other people. To both kinds of people, there are sections in your local newspaper that deal with this. Unfortunately, we will always have people who post without subject lines, or subject lines that says "Help" and those who ask the list to unsubscribe them.
To those who post asking for a job:
The lug has a lot of work if you want it. The website needs to be maintained, meetings need to be arranged, workshops need to be arranged, a lot of promotion and advocacy has to be done. Are you interested? You will not be paid for this ... ever.
For programming jobs, there is also a lot of Free software that needs to be developed. You will find projects on sourceforge, savannah and freshmeat. You will probably not get paid for this either.
To those who want information urgently - pay for commercial support. To
those who complain that no one has responded to their mail - have patience and maybe rethink your posting strategy.
To those who post without a subject -
To those who want help - try one of the following: http://www.helmeharlan.com http://www.helpmefind.com http://www.helpme2learn.com http://www.helpmelaw.com
To those who want to unsubscribe, the address is linuxers-request@mm....
The list software does not understand natural language. Do not say please unsubscribe me. Follow the instructions that you received when you subscribed. If you deleted those instructions, bad on you.
To those who ask for sample source code - this list is not to be used for doing your homework. If you need sample code to learn from - the web has Terabytes of it. It is better for you to search for it rather than ask the members of this list to search for you.
To those who are unaware of all the programs installed on their system... how can you install something without knowing what you're installing? There's hope yet. Get a list of all programs in /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin and read the man pages for
them. Read the man pages for whatever is mentioned in the See Also section of any other man page.
Here's a tip. If a man page says something like foo(8), it means you have to do man 8 foo.
If there is no man page, command --help often works. If it doesn't, run
the program and see what happens :D. Don't do this as root. In fact, maybe create a temporary account and do it in there (I wouldn't).
Finally, before you post, and I repeat, *before*. Search the web, search your hard disk, search the archives. Do everything possible to find your answer without posting. Only if you don't find a solution should you post to the list.
If, OTOH, you find a solution, but had a really hard time finding it, *and* it was not listed in the list archives, then feel free to post the
solution to the list.
Finally, don't ask for help on Linux 8.0. No one has it... yet.
Philip