*What can the Apple iPad be used as ? *
* *
*iPad cannot be used as a phone because …..*
….. It cannot make calls. Period
*iPad cannot be used as a replacement for your laptop or netbook because ….. *
….. It does not have a multi-tasking OS ….. It does not have a Drag & Drop file management ….. It does not have a USB port ….. Its storage maxes out at a paltry 64 GB & has no expandable memory slot ….. It does not have a HDMI port
*iPad cannot be used as an Internet Browsing device because …..*
….. It does not have support for Adobe Flash which many websites use
*iPad cannot be used as a replacement for Amazon’s Kindle because …..*
….. Kindle is cheaper than iPad ….. Kindle has free worldwide 3G coverage; iPad needs a $30/month data plan from AT&T ….. iPad’s IPS LCD screen causes more eye strain as compared to Kindle’s E-Ink display ….. Kindle has better battery life than iPad
*iPad cannot be used as a high end gaming device because …..*
….. It has an IPS LCD display which has high motion blur as compared to OLED
*iPad cannot be used as a portable TV or video player because …..*
….. It has a display aspect ratio of 4:3 instead of 16:9 ….. It has mono speakers
*iPad cannot be used for video-conferencing because …..*
….. It does not have a camera
*iPad cannot be used as a Navigation device because …..*
….. It does not have a GPS chip built in
*And lastly…*
*iPad cannot be used as a feminine hygiene product because …..*
….. It isn’t one. Don’t be confused by the name.
*So what can the iPad be used as?*
Well, the iPad can be used as a Digital Photo Frame. It can do that just right! But $500 for a Digital Photo Frame? Apple, can we have the next device please?
yes, and in spite of all the drawbacks you point out, they have sold 3 million pieces in 80 days and that too still not having opened up in world wide markets (only 10 countries till date).
If this is a faulty product, i will be willing to make faulty products for the rest of my life.
On 30-Jun-2010, at 6:41 PM, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
Meanwhile, the NotionInk Adam continues to be promised.
Android phone owners, rejoice (if you think ebook pricing is fair): Amazon now offers ebooks for you without your having to own a Kindle.
Sorry for the top post, guess we'll have to learn to live with mobile devices.
On 6/30/10, Saswata Banerjee & Associates scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 22:29:21 Nishit Dave wrote:
Sorry for the top post, guess we'll have to learn to live with mobile devices.
you mean *we* have to learn to live with *you* using mobile devices? Don't tell me that such device cannot be programmed to edit the quoted matter before posting???
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.orgwrote:
Yes, and yes I checked, it can't be done. Also, this thread has a [Humour] tag, doesn't it?
On Thursday 01 July 2010 12:59:21 Nishit Dave wrote:
do mobile devices not have open source applications? or are you tied to some specific app on each mobile device? yes, I saw the humour tag - but in this list fortunately we have a fundamental right to nitpick ;-)
On 07/01/2010 12:59 PM, Nishit Dave wrote:
If it can't be done, that's still no excuse to top post. If there was something really that important to say you could've waited till you had access to a half-decent mail client to post a properly quoted reply.
Using some crappy software does not allow you the liberty to flout the rules.
cheers, - steve
PS: ok, i realize this post is a waste of our time, but it's just irritating when not only does one refuse to extend basic courtesy but also then smiles and says 'pleze excuze, we are like this only' -- like people cutting it lines and talking on their phone is movie theaters.
On Thursday 01 July 2010 01:21 PM, steve wrote:
I had once sent a reply from my mobile and it got top posted. After that I only read the messages on the cell, but reply from my comp.
I am posting from the said gmail app, and it has no intention of allowing an option to bottom-post. That said, it is a bit rich to expect people to go through the hassle of switching on a computer and logging in to their mail client, just in order to submit a quip, when you yourself want to save the hassle of looking a line or two below. I understand the need to keep threads short, but if you dislike top posting so much, better start banning. That is a surefire way to make 2010 the year of Linux on the desktop.
On 7/1/10, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
On 5 July 2010 22:09, Nishit Dave stargazer.dave@gmail.com wrote:
Excellent and valid points made.
Hi,
On 07/05/2010 10:09 PM, Nishit Dave wrote:
Although I think you are trolling, i'll give you the benefit of doubt and attribute your attitude to ignorance rather than malice.
As much as we like that people follow the rules of the community, we also dislike moderation of any kind. Please continue to top-post if you wish, the community who you've so brazenly chosen to mock, will hopefully just treat you as the troll that you choose to be and ignore your mails (I know, I will, if you choose to keep that attitude).
cheers, - steve
On 05-Jul-2010, at 10:09 PM, Nishit Dave wrote:
I fully agree. No one is going to bother doing that. Most will simply stop responding to mails. Year of desktop ? You have some hope.
This list is full of fossils who stick to irrational rules that were set when only text based mails used to be run from large sub-mainframe computers and are not aware that the world has moved on.
Yes, most of the mobile clients do not allow bottom or interleaved posting as it does not put quoted text the way desktops do. On a small screen its not possible anyway.
On Tuesday 06 July 2010 09:02 AM, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
Hi Saswata. Mobile clients were never meant for threaded list emails. They are more for responding to any urgent query from a customer or giving a short reply to an individual's mail. Plus if gmail has progressed so much, it can at least give an option in its settings to post the reply above or below the text, as it did in the web interface after gmail was introduced only with a top posting reply format initially.
On 07-Jul-2010, at 12:10 AM, Rony wrote:
Hi Rony, Mobiles and portable devices have long moved from being a quick / emergency usage devices. They have now become in many cases, primary mode of using the internet. We use it all the time, even when in office where desktops are available. Few today have time to sit separately and use a desktop to reply to all mails that have accumulated during the day. Ofcourse, if we have a long voluminous report or a 10 page mail to send, we have to use a desktop or laptop.
If that is the criteria being used, then many people will simply not reply. As they cant be bothered to find a desktop or to devote separate time to it. Most of my mails are sent when i am travelling in the car to and from office, or club or client meetings.
Gmail is not the primary or main mailing system for most of us. We use our own. Or the ones available on the mobile platform we are currently using.
On Wednesday 07 July 2010 12:22 AM, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
Hi. In spite of all that, the mobile clients are not designed to edit between the original text lines and add replies below the original test. If they do, it is fine.
Few today have time to sit separately and use a desktop to reply to all mails that have accumulated during the day. Ofcourse, if we have a long voluminous report or a 10 page mail to send, we have to use a desktop or laptop.
That is the point. Every thing does not work through the mobile. Plus this being a GLUG, users are generally expected to be using a linux machine (of any kind) to post messages, unless they are facing an emergency and they have to use someone else's machine. Unlike yahoo groups or other informal mailing lists, this is an archived list that is referenced by online users and search engines. If a particular dialogue pattern is followed for the same, a wrongly formatted message breaks this harmony and messes the overall thread. It is a practice followed by many other technical support lists. They keep messages trimmed and relevant and follow the top to bottom dialogue format. It is not unique to this list only. If it is possible to do it through a mobile, its great otherwise IMO the larger interests of the list should prevail.
On Monday 05 July 2010 22:09:51 Nishit Dave wrote:
I am posting from the said gmail app, and it has no intention of allowing an option to bottom-post.
Throw your money on something more useful.
stop being a supercilious rich fart. every time you top post / without trimming, you chew up everybody's resources. 700 members have to undergo the hassle that you so presumtiously excuse yourself from.
That is a surefire way to make 2010 the year of Linux on the desktop.
Haha what a grande assumption. One guy, decidedly lacking in the ability to think, posting mostly rubbish, is going to decide linuxes success on the desktop. ROTFL
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 1:54 AM, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
Such as? This is not the first time someone has claimed inability to bottom-post using a mobile device. Please note - this is merely to elicit information. I have no inflammatory intent.
Regards, Mohan S N
On 07/06/2010 12:29 PM, Mohan Nayaka wrote:
Nokia messaging allows you do that, AFAIK. For the whiners complaining about bottom posting remember:
a. This is a mailing list for information/discussion. This is *not* facebook where is a matter of pride for some sorry souls that they reply with 'quips' on every thread. You don't *really* *have* *to* reply.
b. Even if you *really* *have* *to* reply, do so in the manner that shows some respect to the reader. There are reasons why interleaved posting is considered good form. These reasons have led to the 'evolution' of this quoting style. None of those reasons have anything to do with dependence on plain text format(*). Ignoring these reasons to instead top-post, IMHO, is regressive /not/ progressive. If you use a client that does not allow you to quote properly, that client too is regressive. It's like going back to the DOS era (I only do one thing at a time and only use one application at a time, why do I need multi-tasking ? ...come to think of it, dear lord ! there is a phone that actually follows this principle, betcha the top-posting cavemen like that phone too !)
c. Saying that you cannot quote properly using your mobile and you *have* to reply only from your mobile is equivalent to saying, "I am sorry, I *have* to take my call in a movie theater" -- it just means that you are a jerk. There are options, but you'd rather not be inconvenienced, however, you think it is ok to inconvenience others.
cheers, - steve
(*) Contrast this to the most recent evolution of considering html & utf-8 encoded mail as acceptable on most mailing lists. That wasn't so till sometime back.
On Tuesday 06 July 2010 12:29:59 Mohan Nayaka wrote:
http://wetab.mobi/en/shop Or Just use one of those 15~18k netbooks advertised in the newspapers.
But... I can toppost bottompost correct post with a780. As can a 100 other phones. For the onetime cost of setting up an imap server and some script, i get "pushmail". which i did just for the heck of it. Got rid of it as i find pushmail over gprs a pita.
Pushmail is a justified scam - no, its a scheme - to part the gullible from thier money.
Someone said the ipad is not a phone. It seems a lot worse. akin to a car with the driver seat at apple HO.
On Tuesday 06 July 2010 12:29 PM, Mohan Nayaka wrote:
Then it is expected of the individual to not use that device for replies to a threaded list. How would it feel if we had to read books and stories from ending to start?
BTW, long time no see. :-)
On Monday 05 July 2010 10:09 PM, Nishit Dave wrote:
I too use the same application but only to read messages whenever I get time. It is just a plain question of "My device does not allow me to follow your rules so should I be exempted from following them?". You've got to take that decision.
On Thursday 01 July 2010 10:56 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
If you know of such a procedure on the mobile, it would be useful to us.
Though not related to this topic, those who want to use mobile email applications but do not want to spend on monthly rentals can download a java based application for gmail from m.google.com/mail on their latest mobiles and use it just like an email client. It uses normal browsing accounts so there is no special rental for pop/smtp required. Gmail's web interface can be configured to receive mails from other pop accounts too. All these will then come to your mobile.
On Thursday 01 July 2010 22:38:11 Rony wrote:
there is something called open source software - the idea is that one can add features to it. I cannot believe that there is no open source mail client.
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.orgwrote:
If you know any that will work without pop/smtp service on popular mobile OSs, let me know.
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Rony Bill gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
If you need to know with respect to GMail, you can direct your phone to m.google.com/mail and download their native app and check your mail over http(s?). Of course, you'll probably need to check whether your phone can support the app.
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 22:22:17 Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
There are enough suckers born every second. All u ned to sell is the right sucking device.
Buy an elcheapo chinese mobile. Rs.3000 odd, with all the features you will never ever need + no lockin/lockout.
On 01-Jul-2010, at 11:17 AM, jtd wrote:
An Ipad is not a mobile. I have checked out the ipad clones, none of them come up to what ipad does. First, most of the clones are 7 inchers not 10 incher If you have any ipad clones that are at 3-5k, i will be happy to buy it. In fact have been looking for them to buy for office
On Thursday 01 July 2010 18:49:08 Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
There is Rs.12~14K range INDIAN device. Saw one at HBCSE. I have asked Amit Dhakulkar for details.
On Tuesday 06 July 2010 19:45:48 Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
On 06-Jul-2010, at 2:13 PM, jtd wrote:
On Thursday 01 July 2010 18:49:08 Saswata Banerjee & Associates
wrote:
Yes the usual chinese kit assy. in India. WITH linux. Actually all the components save the housing is available of the shelf. DIY minus fancy housing should be doable in the 10K range in retail quantities (10~20). Rs.14K single shot. I am seriously thinking of assembling one, if i can wrangle a couple of 10" pixelqi screens - but the price then shoots up to 25K.
afair 10" with touchscreen and accelerometer. standard hardisk. standard lcd
On Tuesday 06 July 2010 21:19:29 Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
On 06-Jul-2010, at 8:14 PM, jtd wrote:
On Tuesday 06 July 2010 19:45:48 Saswata Banerjee & Associates
wrote:
at 3K the chinese phones are a steal. At any price the ipad is robbery. IMO.
and Rs. 25000 or even Rs. 14000
Oh 14K and 25K is my "think aloud" project for hackers - definetly not for people who dont like fiddling in hardware to send emails. Not directly related to ipad.
On second thought email to voice would be cool. and voice to email would be hep. No need for fat display and touch pad. Ha ha. imagine flaming someone in the airport - with three security types standing nearby with an ominous bulge.
http://www.techtree.com/India/News/MWC_2010_Why_is_Notion_Inks_Adam_an_iPad_... not sure what happened to this -Yohan
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Yohan Pereira yohan.pereira@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.techtree.com/India/News/MWC_2010_Why_is_Notion_Inks_Adam_an_iPad_... not sure what happened to this
Somewhat tangential but http://mjg59.livejournal.com/124426.html makes for a read.
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