Linuxers July 2001

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Re:My two bits about the Aazad and the Commercial
by Sandeep 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

Note: I do not necessarily belive in everythin I say n most o the time it is jus for the sake of argument that I will say somethin, in the hope that your argument becomes stronger through criticism. Also I have nothin in particular against Microsoft or ne one for that matter. Hate the sin n not the sinner! lesse... >The terms "legal and ethical" were implied when I mentioned >schemes and strategies. We are talking about a sane & >functioning society. Microsoft, as an example, has to >follow the US rules and regulations. I feel they have been >within the law except for a few cases when they have been >successfully sued. "The Law" my friend has not kept up with technology. Take the adobe case in point: How *stupid* the law is sometimes! >But I suppose this situation is no >different from any other business. Note that when I say >'ethical', I mean the ethics or morality that our society >agrees to as a whole. On a personal level ethics can have a >very varied meaning. We cannot consider those as binding. yep! >I was not talking cola vs. software. I was talking in >general about the business environment. The cola companies >make enough profit (they have invested over a billion >rupees (each) in India without a return of a single piasa >as profit), that they can easily charge less than what >they already do and still make good money. >I agree that software is different (functional eh???) from >cola. The cola are using the same formula for over a >100year without much change. They get most of their revenue >out of manufacturing. How many people are still making >money out of software they wrote say 8-10 years back. I am >not comparing software company vs. cola company. I was >talking about commercial venture vs. commercial venture - >in general. U say u r not comparin, but thats exactly whad u r doin up there dude! i agree u'r comparin comm. vs comm. but one cannot generalize. >Here I totally disagree with you my friend. It is still >natural 'Darwinian' selection in progress and will always >be. A discussion on this will be so much OT that the others >may probably have kill us to stop us. We will do it in >private. Wokay! cant wait to have that discussion. >You forget that I mentioned 'stronger, smarter'. Strength >may refer a whole lot of strengths - not merely physical. eh.. if it was meant to be so general then i guess even smartness is also a strength, then why mention it seperatly? U seem to have used it in a physical sense. >What is decent according to one may be pathetic according >to another. Starvation is not the point. There may be >people around who may want a fast car, a big house, the >secretaryship of the local golf club, dinner at the Taj >etc.etc. We cannot call it unethical or illegal. Who is callin it ne o that. what i'm sayin is that people survive on this kind o work. Mind u i'm sayin survive, which seems to be enuf 4 them, they dont need expensive toys like cars, big house, children ;) , etc. >ummm... 'Morally' he should give it to society as it >benefits all. But 'ethically' we cannot force him to give >it (though practically we could & would). That is the >reason research of this kind is funded and organised by >society itself (in the guise of the government or >non-profitable organisatinos). Not only cure for such major >things like AIDS etc. but medicine as a whole comes under >such kinds of discussions. Again the OT ness prevents me >from elaborating. ah my friend now u'r some where near the "FreeDevelopers.net" space. Government/non-profitable/industry-consortiums fundin are all very interestin wayz to make Free Software. >No. What I said still stands. The 'just limits' are implied >as we _are_ talking about a sane society. The freedom I am >talking about is very pragmatic and is infact the state of >things right now. Microsoft operates with its priorities, >the FSF operates with its ideologies and we operate >with our freedom to choose Windows 98/NT or GNU/Linux. An >insane society (in total chaos) would be a whole other ball >game. In it (probably) M$ would hire gunmen to see no one >uses GNU software. I had a dream sometime back where i saw this Microsoft goon shootin down this innocent dude called Netscape n then the goon went after a dude called Real networks. Im so glad it was just a bad nightmare n not reality. >>Does a restaurant, who has a popular special dish, >>disclose its secret recipe? >>>again, ne dish is not >>>functional in the same sense as software is. u "use" >>>software n u "enjoy" a dish/art, from a enduser point of >>>view. >>>>Can you please elaborate on this 'functional' thing? In >>>>(probably) the same vein, a painting is not same as a >>>>dish. wokay. Heres the thing: take the example of a iron box. If my neighbour wants to iron his shirt n he come's n borrows my XYZ ka iron box n i give it to him, XYZ wont come n arrest me! u see the value o the iron box does not become ne less when i share cause i can always use it later on. but say there is this sandwich n my neighbour eats it, then i cant eat it, so i'm obviously gonna be pissed off n wont share that. An iron box or software is a tool- whereas a sandwich or paintin is a accessories. U do stuff(function) with tools n u jus "enjoy" accessories. note that the neighbour will eventually get his own iron box when he can afford it n save himself 4rm the discomfort n so XYZ or whoever will make their money. So the idea is that ppl need to see enuf value in what u provide. >>then they are within their right to sell this software - >>with all strings attached. >>>??? eh?..... >>>>I stick to this. You are not forced to buy them. A friend o mine got this Compaq mac. n he was *FORCED* to have Win on it. cause other wise he would be refused support. You can force ppl in not so obvious wayz. Also the CD that came with it does some wierd partition shit, so that he had to use partion magic to be able to fit Linux into the M$ box. hmm.. I wonder if the CD behaviour has some hidden agenda. You can also force ppl by not givin them choices by killin *all* competion. >There are plenty of other software companies which sell >software and dont behave in any way like Microsoft. Can't deny that! :) i'm with u on that man. Sandeep --- "The bird or insect that stumbles into a room and cannot find the window. Because they know no 'windows.'" ~The Lord and the New Creatures, Jim Morrison (12/8/43 - 7/3/71) ___________________________________________________________________ *FREE* Web-based Email Accounts at BOX.COM - http://www.box.com/?i=2 Access Your Email from ANYWHERE!

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ttyS1 on Linux on i815
by Amish Mehta 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

Hello, Is there any special configuration required for ttyS1 on Linux to work on i815 chip motherboards? I can see it detects ttyS00/ttyS01 but my modem/mouse only works on ttyS0. COM2(ttyS1) resides on seperate card. It doesnt work even on windows. So I wonder if it is COM2 or something else? Amish.

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by Sagar Sule 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

Hello All, On Monday Philip wrote... "No, they are not insane, they are just sheep. Humans, like sheep tend to herd. If everyone else is doing it, then so should we. Many people don't even know that alternatives exist. In fact, for 98% of that 75%, a computer is a tv that shows a windows logo when you push the big round button. Philip" well i have put this in quote unquote coz i think this is the most correct evaluation of most of the computer users in the world. this also includes some hotshot programmers who think they are they are the gurus of the programming world. bravo philip bravo!! for you have spoken my heart. regads sagar sule ===== When you have hit rock bottom, The only way you can go is UP! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Who owns an IP address
by Darshan.wakchaure＠lntinfotech.com 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

Hi, Small refresher of fundamentals , try these links: http://www.thinkmobile.com/Resource/Top/Data_Communications/TCP-IP/Addressi… http://www.soundtraining.net/support/ipinfo.htm Let us walk-thru our basics again ! ======================= Darshan S. Wakchaure Tel. #: 91-22-7612571-77 [O] Ext. 4021-4024 Tel # : 91-251-520806 [R] ======================= E C Vijil <vijil(a)it.iitb.ac.in> To: Linux Users <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Sent by: cc: linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug- Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Who owns an IP address bom.org.in 25-07-2001 11:47 AM Please respond to linuxers On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Philip S Tellis wrote: |How do I find out who owns a particular IP address? Where do I have to Try www.ipindex.net regards, Vijil -- You can't kiss a girl unexpectedly -- only sooner than she thought you would. _______________________________________________ Linuxers mailing list Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Who owns an IP address
by Philip S Tellis 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

How do I find out who owns a particular IP address? Where do I have to look for this? nslookup turns a blank if there is no dns entry for it. Philip -- "If you want to eat hippopatomus, you've got to pay the freight." -- attributed to an IBM guy, about why IBM software uses so much memory Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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Re: Win Worm on Linux
by Aarjav Trivedi 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

Thanks, I was aiming at building a zoo but since i thought just downloading the virus would infect my computer i was keeping all mails on my webmail providers server ;) . That was an informative answer. Thanks Philip. Is it a crime according to Indian Cyberlaws to store viruses on one's own computer ? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

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Conti.polling Shell Script
by Linux ＠ Ramshyam 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

Hi, Can a shell script contiuously poll for a specific file in a specified directory, and upon finding such a file, execute some commands. Can someone please suggest if this is possible & suggest some way to implement it. regards, Sandeep

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Problem installing Linux
by Nikhil Joshi 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

I'm trying to install Linux 7.1 on my friend's comp .Here is the configuration: PIII 866 ,815e Chipset,128 RAM,20 GB HDD The partition is 15+5.I deleted 5GB to make room for Linux. Windows ME is present on the 15 GB partition .Now during setup when I add mount point / in Disk Druid I get error that boot partition>1024 cylinders. I checked out Fdisk instead of Disk Druid and found that the cylinders available are in the range somwhere between 1800 to 2000 (Sorry, I forgot exact numbers). I have read that latest lilo supports >1024 cylinders .Where should I download lilo from? After downloading how can I "tell" the setup to install the latest LILO instead of it's default. One of our ilug members had similar prob and Philip had suggested : Install your system as usual, but choose not to use lilo. How do I install the system (I can't create / )? I also don't get an option of choosing whether to use lilo. Please help. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Win Virus on Linux
by Aarjav Trivedi 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

a few questions If i download a windows virus infected file onto a linux/windows dual boot box with linux after disabling access to my windows drives (unmounting them) is there any way this virus can cause harm to my computer. Specifically the w32.sircam virus with .pif files. what is a .pif file ? does it run under linux ? thanks aarjav __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Possible virus, can anyone confirm
by John Fernandes 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

Yeah its the SirCam virus all right... thankfully only 3 pcs here have gotten it yet and it gets cleaned easy. -----Original Message----- From: Philip S Tellis [mailto:philip.tellis@iname.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:09 PM To: Linux Users Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Possible virus, can anyone confirm I received a file named Book3_26.xls.pif in my mail. I suspect this to be a virus because of the way the filename is masked to show up as an excel sheet in default windows installs. IMPORTANT: This was sent to me by someone who has my address in your addressbook. Anyone using windows, and having my address in your addressbook, please check your system. The virus is probably harmless through mail because of a stupid problem. There's an extra = at the end of the base 64 encoded file, which means it cannot be decoded, at least not by standards compliant decoders. OE may still decode it. Don't know about NSMessenger. A simple inspection of the attachment tells you that. I extracted the file, and ran strings on it. It gave me this: BFD: BFD internal error, aborting at coffcode.h line 763 in styp_to_sec_flags BFD: Please report this bug. This seems to be a problem with strings. (strings on Solaris works) I then did a file on it and found it to be a Win32 executable (surprise!). I then did a less on the file to see what was in it. I found a lot of things, including the following (edited to fit): Content-Disposition: quoted-printable 8bit 7bit octet-stream plain mixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: ; charset= ; boundary=" Content-Type: application mixed _Outlook_Express_message_boundary Outlook Express MIME messages encoding and decoding X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 MIME-Version: 1.0 date: Organization: Subject: To: From: along with three letter abbreviations of days of the week and months of the year and a lot more. Specifically, there are a lot of references to Winsock.dll and common TCP/IP errors, but I have been unable to determine if it just uses the file or tries to replace it. I believe it may be the former, though its size (173KB) seems to suggest it does a lot more than just send email. Towards the fourth quarter of the file, I found actual excel stuff. Now, look at the header of the mail: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----147B2E70_Outlook_Express_message_boundary" Content-Disposition: Multipart message and the attachment headers: ------147B2E70_Outlook_Express_message_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: message text Hi! How are you=3F I send you this file in order to have your advice See you later=2E Thanks ------147B2E70_Outlook_Express_message_boundary Content-Type: application/mixed; name=Book3_26.xls.pif Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=Book3_26.xls.pif Also, the terminating message boundary is identical to the others, instead of having a trailing -- as specified in 822 (I think). Looks pretty suspicious to me. I checked at Symantec, it's been recorded as the W32.Sircam.Worm, last updated this morning. Check http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sircam.worm@mm.html for more details. Philip -- Syntactic sugar causes cancer of the semicolon. -- Epigrams in Programming, ACM SIGPLAN Sept. 1982 Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis _______________________________________________ Linuxers mailing list Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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