Linuxers November 2002

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [POLL] #posting_strategies: Long lines
by quasar＠vsnl.net 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

sameerds(a)it.iitb.ac.in wrote On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 06:50:34PM +0500, quasar(a)vsnl.net wrote: >I just noticed that there is something really fishy about this >particular paragraph. All the original newlines that were present in >my >message are no longer there ... hand-edit quotes? And I was a fool to think we could have a adult discussion... They /are/ hand edited quotes. So? Your implication that I was cheating is ... for a better word ... a childishly personal attack. I am having to use the VSNL webmail interface which does not 'quote' a reply. So I had to 'hand-edit' them instead of leaving them unquoted. Yeah so I am the Evil Person (tm) now I suppose? >> pissed me off which resulted in more than necessary sarcasm. >>Sorry. >I kinda never had any rules in mind ... I thought this was >``discussion'' about The Right Thing (tm). /you/ may not have any rules in mind... please refer to Philip's initial musings about implementing auto-wraping by the mailer. Yes and I suppose /you/ own the (tm) for The Right Thing? >OT: Just discorvered something in vim ... pressed gq<down> at the >start >of the earlier para, and it correctly broke and indented it for me! Wow. But I suppose long lines are still 'evil'. >> suppose we can ignore it. >Aaah ... there goes gq<down> again! :-) That was so very funny. I almost choked. But how conveniently you have not answered/ignored the part about webmail. >The problem is in two parts - quoting somebody else's mail, which I >just >discovered that vim can do very easily for me, and horizontal >scrolling >... think of the column width that newspapers use instead continuing >a >line from edge to edge ... its about readability. yeah, you /think/ of a newspaper where we have a column on one side with the rest of the paper blank. >And of course, the problem with webmail access remains. you may consider rereading my previous post on this matter.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by quasar＠vsnl.net 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

At 03:56 even 11/4/02 +0530, Dr.N wrote: >In practice I refuse to use and try to convince people to use >Microsoft products. But I would refuse to set this as an agenda or >campign actively for this because, when GNU and FSF started there was >no Microsoft. The idea of free software is independent of Microsoft. >FSF and GNU have a positive agenda and to put it in a negative terms >will deviate the purpose. The reason why I cannot swallow everything >that Charles wrote in Business India is because, the media is now >manufacturing a new concent. As you saw the article talked about >economics but not about business ethics, freedom and philosophy. >They >are missing the point, but it is deliberate. And not because they are >ignorant about it. The war is not against Microsoft, it is against >proprietary software paradigm. >Nagarjuna You have put in a few excellent points. I read that article and it did not /feel/ right. It never mentioned the ethos of the free software community. It never talked about /how & why/ GNU/linux is where it is today. All they talked about was business & money. The media only needs a bandwagon to jump on. Like so many linux "pushers" out there it too has very practical reasons behind it. Of all those managers who have "embraced" linux they have done it because it makes business sense - not because they believe in the philosophy. And it beats me why we have to even think about them. The only point I do not see eye to eye with you is the question of "war". Is it really a war out there? Can not two schools of thought exist together? The proprietary software paradigm is what we do not like. But by us not liking it does not make it evil or wrong. Then where does the question of war come from? Or like the US are we now ready to 'bomb' anyone who does not agree with us? Is this real "choice"? Self protection for survival is one thing - war is another. Can we have a LUG meet to discuss this issue? Been a long time since a LUG meet anyway. regards,

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OT-Job opportunity
by kishor bhagwat 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [POLL] #posting_strategies: Long lines
by quasar＠vsnl.net 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

My ISP is half-dead so I am left with no SMTP. At 10:29 morn 11/5/02 +0530, SS wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 04:54:10PM +0530, q u a s i wrote: [..] good reason for breaking. An imbecile mail client is no excuse. >``imbecile email client'' is a real pain when a reader does not have >the >option to choose his own editor within the client ... in my case, for >example, when sitting on my desktop I use mutt with vim, but at other >times, I have to rely on the web interface to our mail server ... I >can >do nothing about how the web interface behaves! I completely agree. The above was exactly the point I was trying to convey. But the unfortunate thing is you choose to comment on a sarcastic reply instead of the many "adjust your line length" "Get a smarter mail client" etc. etc. you see here. Linux is about choice -- or is that only a media mantra? The talk about 'rules' really pissed me off which resulted in more than necessary sarcasm. Sorry. > The only problem which I can think of is - in case of this reply >for > example, I suppose my lines will get wrapped at some column by you >client > which will introduce non quoted short lines. Well this is not my >fault as > if you use no line breaking then my reply will appear correct. > >Not breaking big lines in an editor does introduce readability >problems >... its really difficult to make sense of what's happening if one >has to >scroll horizontally. There are editors like vim which can ``wrap'' >lines >... but that immediately affects navigation from line to line, and >within sentences. `line' != `sentence'. I beg to disagree. /Your/ choice of editor introduces problems. Mine does /not/. So how does that make your position superior in /any/ way? I live with inefficient use of screen space without cribbing about it - so maybe you can too. AFAIK Mutt & Emacs as well as Pine handle long lines well under GNU/Linux. Just a matter of settings. In windows Eudora, OE & Emacs do it too. So? Where does this place us? The only problem is when one uses web interfaces - but then the problem is far more complex with almost all webinterfaces having a different column width. So I suppose we can ignore it. >Learning to use emacs is not exactly top priority on everyone's list. I never suggested you to start learning Emacs. Just that there exists a client where it is possible. >I don't understand the need for a discussion - all we are asking is >for >people to make a small adjustment in their mail editors, which will >make >life easier for a lot of people. Its a time-honoured adjustment, >well-supported by lots of guidelines on netiquette. Yeah. The 'we' again. Yes Sir. As I see the number of people who want client side line wraping is really small (we are a minority), you can set whatever rules suites /you/. As always "it's about choice" applies only to the majority. I agree about time-honoured - but the times are changing and the very good reasons behind that guideline are no longer as relevant as they were before. >``Go get a better <insert any tool like editor, for example>!'' >That sure sounds like somethings going wrong about the spirit of the >community, with a Redmond-ish touch to it. The point is you should seriously consider /who/ is introducing this touch. Note: Please note that even your /correct & superior/ line breaking resulted in broken lines without '>' in this web interface. I had to manually introduce the '>'. quasi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [POLL] #posting_strategies: Long lines
by quasar＠vsnl.net 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

dodobh(at)nettaxi.com wrote >On 05/11/02 18:50 +0500, quasar(at)vsnl.net wrote: >> My ISP is half-dead so I am left with no SMTP. >Direct to MX works for ilug-bom. I haven't used my ISPs SMTP server. >See the headers :). Unfortunately I dont get you here... "Direct to MX"? I have to use windows for my brother as we both use the same email account and all he gets from his Bajaj mates are huge .ppt .doc and .xls files *sigh*. My exim is working but I am wondering how I can use it with this situation on hand. >> I beg to disagree. /Your/ choice of editor introduces problems. >>Mine does >Line invisible. Could not read. Please insert a carriage return where >appropriate manually. ><snip> >> Note: Please note that even your /correct & superior/ line >>breaking resulted >Mind changing the client? Or fixing those quotes? I thought asking to change the client was a no-no here. ;). But aalas I cannot change the client - you all will have to help me petition VSNL to have it fixed. It does not even add '>' when replying. I have to do it manually. *grin*. It does not even add a appropriate subject. >Devdas Bhagat

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] loopback system query
by Suhit Kelkar 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

Dudes and dudettes, Am installing dragonlinux as a try-out linux distro. However, I want to expand the loopback filesystem to recognise spaces larger than 2 gb. Any suggestions? Regards. -- Powered by Outblaze

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[POLL] #posting_strategies: Long lines
by Philip S Tellis 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

Throwing open a poll on the list. Replies to the list. When posting a message on a mailing list, should the original poster make sure his lines wrap at a particular column, or not? If yes, which column? If yes, or no, why? <snip when replying> Remember, this is a poll. We do not care what the list guidelines say, so please don't reply `because the list guidelines say so'. We really want to know whether the list guidelines are right, or not, and why so. State what you think. Your own opinion. </snip when replying> Philip -- There comes a time in the affairs of a man when he has to take the bull by the tail and face the situation. -- W.C. Fields

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Spam compailents
by Amish K. Munshi 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, As most of you, I also get a lot of spam mails, is there any place in India, a website, where we can complaint. Some oraganizations including caltiger (used to but no more) and bazee keep sending me spams, atleast these can be stopped, if not the small buisnesses like university diploma spams then atleast these big organizations should be stopped. Lets startoff my making Mumbai spam free and may be later we can show the others (the remaining) a way to follow. If there isnt any website, I would like to create one where we can post our compliants and then we can let the oracnization know about it. Bye. - -- Visit http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish/sign.txt to obtain a Public key of my digital signatute. Please verify always that the mail originates from me before reading the contents of the mail using any opensource encryption software such as gnupg or openpgp. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9w+rH6apqhFnXaBMRAvXDAJ4nBpFQ0opaM5YuLBNy2ibqOiEZGQCg1bnz 0hpniAKi7pslDlaH8ECKSKg= =UlaR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Light-weight distros
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

In a different thread somewhere else, Frederick Nornha wrote: > PS: While on this point, we need to also lobby for GNU/Linux to make less > resource-intensive distros specially for users who are forced to use > earlier-generation hardware. Or else, we too will be joining in the > oatware game... Are there any good projects/HOWTO's that help a user keep hardware requirements within limits? Consider a case for example, where a user wants to get as many good features of a modern GNOME/KDE desktop as possible, on a Pentium 200 with 32 MB SDRAM ... Sameer. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The lovely woman-child Kaa was mercilessly chained to the cruel post of the warrior-chief Beast, with his barbarian tribe now stacking wood at her nubile feet, when the strong clear voice of the poetic and heroic Handsomas roared, 'Flick your Bic, crisp that chick, and you'll feel my steel through your last meal!' -- Winning sentence, 1984 Bulwer-Lytton bad fiction contest.

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Re: add my name, I suggest a place, few names
by Amish K. Munshi 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Happy Diwali and a prosperous new year. Actually the meeting started off with me and a few (probably 2) others and then others also were willing to join the meeting, the meeting will not be very long and I do not even know the moderator so I dont think this is a official meeting, I wanted to make a few Linux friends so I decided to have a meeting with a few mailing list friends. It will only be a meeting where we meet each other and share a few ideas, there is no agenda as such. Just a casual meet with the only intention to meet other linux users. Ofcourse we wont be fighting about using a distribution of linux (hope so). Bye. On Tuesday 05 Nov 2002 10:02 am, you wrote: > What is this meeting about? And why is it being setup off the list?? Why > not simply declare a LUG meet with whatever agenda you have in mind? > > Sameer. > > On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 05:27:47PM +0530, jitendra wrote: > > Dear Amish and Saswata > > > > List for Linuxers in Powai-Andheri-east Meet on 9th November Evening: > > > > 1. > > 2. Amish K. Munshi - amish(a)munshi.dyndns.org) > > 3. Saswata (scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com) > > 4. Jitendra Shah (jitendras(a)vsnl.com) > > > > A few points on agenda: > > CD library, book library, FAQ building > > > > We can invite sameer sahasrabudhe > > Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe" <sameerds(a)it.iitb.ac.in> and > > expect him to get a few more > > > > We can also invite venky > > venky (venky1(a)vsnl.com) > > > > > > > > I can suggest a place PNG building , near customs colony ground floor, Dr > > Puniyani's clinic. I have set up two PCs with Linux in network there. > > This can be a place to see/show some work/tchniques too. > > > > I am going out on 10th. So 9th evening is good. > > > > Jitendra > > > > Amish Message on linuxers > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:44:42 +0530 (IST) > > From: mails(a)munshi.dyndns.org > > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > cc: getabhishek(a)yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting of LUG > > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > > Hi, > > > > I have my exams from 11th, But I would like to have a meeting, so > > probably saturday evening will be fine for me. > > About venue, let me know where can we meet, I think we should > > meet somwhere in Andheri or powai, since most of the people interested in > > meeting are from here. > > I am counting > > > > Myself ( Amish K. Munshi - amish(a)munshi.dyndns.org) > > Saswata (scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com) > > > > Anyone else interested then please include yourself in this > > lists. > > > > Bye. - -- Visit http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish/sign.txt to obtain a Public key of my digital signatute. Please verify always that the mail originates from me before reading the contents of the mail using any opensource encryption software such as gnupg or openpgp. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9x0xL6apqhFnXaBMRAh5nAJ4/fHT6Bm5nNkCMFcoCrEWYT3FdhgCglFe4 RA3MGAKCeRIS6lU1psfBYRU= =E7ek -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Linuxers November 2002