Linuxers January 2005

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stop unix vs linux { now its time to hack linux}
by vijay mishra 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

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[Commercial] Opening for PERL Programmers
by OSPOnline 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

Greetings All, We have an immediate opening in an MNC for a Project Intern. The candidate must know PERL programming. Those interested may mail their profiles off the list to resume(a)pearlconsultants.com. Regards, Aishwarya

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MTNL Broadband
by Rony Bill 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

Dear Friends, MTNL has given some good information of how its ADSL internet access works. Download this pdf file. http://web1.mtnl.net.in/internetservices/adsl/adsl_pr.pdf Regards, Rony.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

On Friday 07 January 2005 01:14, Rony Bill wrote: > On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 10:57, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > Involved in what way? It is the customer who ultimately takes the > decision if he wants to pay or get grey stuff. 'Free' software is > not charged for, so no one is making money on it. I make lotsa money giving away away free software :-)) > > > 3) Many in this posts seem to think that since piracy is the norm > > it has to be acceptable. > > No that is not true. What is however true is that piracy has kept > software prices low and more affordable. Oh God -- i am tired of repeating everything. > If there was a software > sourcing monopoly, it would kill the customers. Without > 'competition', the customer is at the mercy of the software > company. Could not agree more. So happy pirating (how does that change the monopoly situation tho is tooo complicated for my stupid brain). > > > 4) Many in this post think that people with poor tech skills are > > not to blame for their woes. > > Thats not true either. Every skill is important and yet different > in its own way. Everyone is playing their role in promoting the > computer industry. Of course they are. But with a little more effort they would do much better using GNU/Linux. AND they are no more at the mercy of some crooked company. Infact there is a whole new market emerging for servers and maintaining them in small and medium enterprise. In short opportunities caused by free availability of a total computing environment - development tools, applications, manuals, Source code, hardware designs, massive totally cooperative technically very competent user community for everything u could possible imagine. All u need to add is a bussiness plan and your resources. If you had to pay for the above to get even a small bussiness started your investment would be anywhere between Rs.10 to 40 lacs. AND guess what after spending all that moolah Billy boy and gang would be taking away the lions share of the money u collect. It tickles me no end to see the "idiots" in our industry spending their hard earned cash to enrich a crooked corporation who will use the same to fleece them again and again. What is SLA? Service Level agreement. It defines your responsibilites in terms of time to respond and solve a problem and liability if u fail to do so. A mutually agreed measurement of quality of service for which u are being paid. > > I have some suggestions for a practical solution to this vexed > issue. > > 1.The software experts in linux on this forum could have a meeting > with the Lamington Road dealers or the Association itself and get > atleast a few of them to tie up for selling linux compatible > hardware. U dont need a software expert for that. AFAIK all hardware from the local shop works well under linux. List some hardware that u have problems with. > The other> luggers including I, can give their requirements for > drivers they need for commonly used hardware and peripherials. Ok name the hardware. I am sure the drivers will already be there. The devices for which drivers are not available is because the manufacturer refuses to provide hardware details. A mojor reason to avoid such companies in the first place. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] OT-Linux Runners
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

On Thursday 06 January 2005 14:07, vaghul wrote: > Hi folks, > I guess everybody must be aware of the mumbai Marathon,going to be > held on 16th Jan 2005. > Hey guys, why cant there be a group Linux runners,all clad in Linux > themes. Good publicity for both Linux and our Bombay group. > As venky rightly said "What makes Linux so popular is the community > around it"............and its us !!! It's a good suggestion if u are very fit and have VERY GOOD quality shoes and a correct running style. Running on tar roads only a few kilometers is very likely to screw your knees and lower back longterm without the last two. Also the entry form date is long over. Can't u have a virtual run with everbody pressing the right arrow key and their mug shots lurching forward ;-). Or a live stream from the race course. BTW one of my friends from the dojo is running the full marathon. Inspite of being very fit last yr he was out of action for three days after the half marathon. rgds jtd

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does ubuntu have apt-get?
by rohit bhute 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

I finally got enough money to get a new OS. So far I've tried only RPM based distros. I have heard only good things about Ubuntu - single CD though based on Debian. What I want to know is after installing Ubuntu, using the much talked about apt-get (provided I'm connected to the net), can I get specific Debian software packages (say related to engineering and such stuff) onto my OS ? And what about updates - how soon will Ubuntu be deprecated vis-a-vis Debian ? -- Take back the Web - Get Firefox Rohit V. Bhute Mumbai http://rvbhute.blogspot.com/

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new year resolution
by Kenneth Gonsalves 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

hi, my new year resolution: whatever it takes, avsap must knock tally off its pedestal positives: translation is no problem - enough guys around to do it tally has opted for mysql and shot themselves in the foot avsap has tamil, telugu, gujarati and hindi - tally doesnt negatives: indians dont like to work for free conclusion: as long as there are guys to translate, i'll do the rest btw like tally, avsap is hiring: no pay, only qualifications is a willingness to work invoicing and inventory control modules should be up in a week happy new year all kg

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Device drivers
by Raseel Bhagat 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 Kiran Divekar wrote : >FYI, >check this out. > >http://www.geocities.com/kirandivekar/downloads/ldd.pdf > Hey Kiran, Really awesome work. Especially for all the mewbiesa re going to hail you. I wish I had found this document before I found Rubini and Corbet. I wouldn't have damned their opor souls for making Linux sound so much like greek, then. So for all the newbies asking to join this project , please go through this article as thorughly as you can. But actually, what my freinds here, and me too, want is someone to guide us while we actually write a linux device driver from scratch. Lets say for example, a keyboard dd or a new filesystem or something like that. See, it doesn't matter what device it is, serial or block or network... the point is we want to try writing a driver from absolute scratch and would like some of you experienced people to mentor over us. Rubini and Corbet and lot of other authors (incuding you) have given us the basic knowledge required and maybe even a complex PSEUDO-device driver. Also, one may argue, there are drivers with source in the linux source and also freely available on the net. However, unless we end-up writing a full fledged dd from scratch, I think the education remains incomplete. I hope you are getting I'm driving at. Thanks Raseel Bhagat

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

On Wednesday 05 January 2005 09:46, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote: > sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > >On Saturday 01 January 2005 10:51, Saswata Banerjee wrote: > >>you seem to have lost the context here. Manoj is not talking of > >>large businesses but small players without tech skill. > >>Pricing is decided by competition and you do not have luxary of > >>adding up all costs. The cost has to be minimise. > > > >U are trying to compete with robbery. where does the question of > You have again missed the basics and the point. > We talk of piracy. And we talk of helping a cyber cafe owner switch > to linux. To make him switch you talk of cost of MS software. But > he is getting the software free due to piracy. What alternate is > there ? I did not miss the point at all. If u accept that cafewalla's pirated software cost is zero and let him get away with that, then the only cost left is the downtime due to viruses and security issues. Security is not exactly a priority for cybercafes. So the service guy comes in at off peak hrs. (not sure if there is such a thing tho) and formats and reinstalls stuff on lets say 2 pcs - that's 1.5 hrs. And he does this on a regular basis. So a linux guy will now have to charge less than this. I am quite sure that the Linux guy has opportunity to make a lot more money than this. So the economics of ignoring piracy is a very bad thing for GNU/Linux > The bank HAS to buy the software and pay so he will be > willing to switch to linux to save cost. The cyber cafe has no such > compulsion because for him paying the hafta is a cheaper way out. I assure you hafta has great buoyancy and rises faster than a rocket. So it is a good (yeah the sickness is getting to me) thing. > He cannot pay for the software he needs ?? > because it will take his cost up which he cannot afford. H But u r offering him a very affordable alternative. Only thing is his customer does not care and neither does he since gyping billy boy is not in his equation. Security, reliability etc work when the owner is the enduser. This is true even for banks and other organisations. Go to the It dept. and they will give u a trillion reasons for the status quo. Go to the end user and things change dramatically. However even this has changed to point where the generalisation is not true. > > Think commercials. Nothing else will work. All other approaches > will only result in people wasting their valuable tme which can be > put to better use. Exactly. The cyber cafe seems to me a waste of time as a commercial propostion unless someone is willing to work at slave labour rates. Or add the cyber cafe revenue as opportunity bonus to an existing linux service catering to more up market clients by using the cybercafe as a training ground. The advocacy for cafewalas thingy by the lugs does not gel. It will be better addressed by (????????????????)

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Re: Device drivers
by santosh rao 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Pankaj Dekate <whoispankaj(a)gmail.com> > To: hemendra jain <jain_hemendra123(a)rediffmail.com>, "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:58:49 +0530 > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux device driver program. > > > > In that regards,would like to form a team of enthusiasts who are interested in writing Linux Device Drivers. > > > what about newbies in linux device drivers?are they allowed? > > Pankaj hi pankaj, i agree with u pankaj, wht about newbis like us. like me for example. i also would like to try and learn as much more as possible about linux and kernel programmin. wht about us ? how can we be more involved in projects like this. and just for information, "writing device drivers" for which hardware ? -- "He who fights monsters should look to it that he himself does not become one." - Friedrich Nietzche regards santosh rao

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