Linuxers January 2005

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux device driver program.
by Raseel Bhagat 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

Hey sherlock, I think you misinterpreted, what Mr.Jain has to say. I think he, like myself wants to write a full-fledged device driver in linux. Not the amateurish "Hello World" LKMs or a pseudo-device driver as is explained in the Rubini and Corbet. He, I assume, like myself, wants to undertake a full-fledged device driver project(for just about anything), so that he gets a hands-on experience in writing drivers for actual, real-world devices. I hope I am right Hemendra !!! Btw, I am ready to be a part of the team,as although I myself have good-enough knowldege of Linux internals and Device drivers, I have never actually written a driver for anything and as such would very much like to. Thanking You, Raseel Bhagat On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote : >On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:36, hemendra jain wrote: > > Hi All, > > This is Hemendra. I am writing for the first time. > > I have a bit of knowledge in writing Linux Device Drivers. Would > > like to expand this area. > > > > In that regards,would like to form a team of enthusiasts who are > > interested in writing Linux Device Drivers. > >device drivers for what ? > > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Raseel Bhagat

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux device driver program.
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:36, hemendra jain wrote: > Hi All, > This is Hemendra. I am writing for the first time. > I have a bit of knowledge in writing Linux Device Drivers. Would > like to expand this area. > > In that regards,would like to form a team of enthusiasts who are > interested in writing Linux Device Drivers. device drivers for what ?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] debian sarge mirror/iso's
by Kartik Mistry 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

-- Guntupalli Karunakar <karunakar(a)freedomink.org> wrote: >THough i have the PCQuest Debian DVD, not sure if it has Gnome 2.8 & >kde 3.3 . Hi, It has Gnome 2.6 !! and unstable ! --Kartik Kartik Mistry +91-22-28990490,28990507 _____________________________________________________________ LinuxTimes.Net --> Open Source to everyone.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] can FOSS grow food [was new year resolution]
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:13, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Monday 03 January 2005 06:22 pm, Vinayak Hegde wrote: > > > > In a country where drinking water and food are still major > > > > issues, contributing to free software is least of the > > > > troubles. > > education, mapping resources, crop planning, watershed management, > eliminating middle men in marketing, bringing transparency to > administration, knowledge base development, sharing experiences > over rural areas, disaster management - just a few areas, this and > many more can be done efficiently and at low cost by FOSS - no, > maybe you cant grow food on computers and write programs to make > drinking water come out of floppy drives - but you can grow more > food, distribute it more efficiently, tap more water sources, > conserve the existings ones with FOSS. Remember knowledge is power > and FOSS has immense potential to disseminate knowledge among the > rural people Well said. In fact the key to governance is open flow of information. This aspect is anthema to all organisation with hidden agendas, be it government, public or private. Poverty exist not because of lack of resources but because of bad distribution mainly caused by restricitions on free flow of capital and people. The moment u have someone controlling capital not belonging to him u have the the framework for corruption and wheeling dealing. Add restrictions on information flow in the name of national security - you cant photograph the dirty decrepit rly station - and u have the making of a Soviet style concentration camp country with grandiose monuments and speeches and other rubbish - N. Korea, Burma even India of the Indira days are examples. rgds jtd

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CISSP training intstitute in Mumbai
by Hitesh Prajapati 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

Hello Friends, I am seeking for CISSP training institute.[Mumbai, Pune,Bang] Please let me know if any one know good institue. Thank you, Hitesh __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] new year resolution
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

On Monday 03 January 2005 18:00, Vinayak Hegde wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:54:01 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves > > <lawgon(a)thenilgiris.com> wrote: > > On Monday 03 January 2005 04:19 pm, you wrote: > > i think that the key word is 'self-taught'. ppl who have taught > > themselves are more likely to contribute - but the majority of > Programmers can collaborate with people from other professions and > write software for them. It is a well established fact that FOSS > does not work well in most niche areas unless some experts from > that field write software for themselves or collaborate with > programmers. > examples include complex software for astronomy, medical imaging, > software that controls particle accelators, biomechanics etc. There are ample areas where FOSS contributes in niche markets. In fact that is exactly where the BIG opportunity lies. U have all the tools and building blocks in place to build a killer app. Morover the apps indicated above are used by organisations with plenty of moolah (very often taxpayers money). U will require the expert though. That is where contacts come in. Also in a natgeo programme related to astro physics I clearly remember that the scientist's pc had a gnome desktop on which he displayed various stuff. So astronomy apps are available on GNU/Linux. > > > since this segment typically uses pirated M$, they are not > > dissatisfied enough to look for an alternative as happens abroad. Are u referring to the scientific community in India?. Most are Government funded and NASSCOM would have already paid a courtesy visit. If they havent it's your opportunity staring at u. Novell / RH are u tuned in here. > FOSS doesn't offer many alternatives for "niche areas". FOSS > thrives when there is a huge userbase and active people giving > feedback. FOSS stutters where there is a small and very specialised > userbase. There are notable exceptions to this though. Most projects start with a small dedicated user and programmer base. Very often the initial code is horrible and the design worse. But it starts to solve a needling problem. By the time it is even partly ready pogrammers from other foss projects (pieces of which are being used in the new project ) start giving useful inputs and recieving new insights. These projects are barely known outside their community. Eg. BBC's (yes The BBC) DIRAC video codec which has far greater potential than the current media hyped MPEG4. Or Xorp which promises to better CISCO's ios. Or linuxbios which can ..... and rule the world. If the project solves a problem it does not stutter. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

On Saturday 01 January 2005 21:44, Rony Bill wrote: > > If linux is to be made more popular and user friendly, it will have > to reach out to the people and not vice versa. It was the > simplicity and ease of use of Windows that made computers popular > in India You need to read before u post. Read here http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20041228040645419 for starters. In short M$ is widely used not because it's easy but because of a whole history of piracy and illegal practices. And they did not make the pc popular. It was the low cost Taiwanese manufacturer who provided a platform for software like dos, wordstar, wordperfect, lotus123, gemplus, dbase, Turbo pascal, etc. And they existed BEFORE msdos and windows3.0. > and Asia and most programmers including linux ones have > their foundations in Windows. Before we learn about higher level > languages and programming, we first learn to start and shut down > windows and to hold a mouse. Then we find out about other OSs and > begin to curse Windows. How many of you learnt their first use of > computers without Windows or DOS ? Go get a REAL education in computers and software (u really need it). And u curse windows because it converts simple reasonable folks into homicidal maniacs (That is true I almost got whacked many yrs ago when CIH virus wiped out a clients FAT table - his "do number" recievables were on the disk). > > Linux does not have a unity of platform and this is a major > setback, that makes its different distros doing different things -- snip all the baloney-- As i said earlier Go get a REAL education in computers and software u really really need it. rgds jtd

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Fwd: GNU Hurd K8 CDs etc
by Anurag 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

[In case if someone is interested in GNU Hurd, its K8 CDs have been uploaded. this release supports partitions bigger than 2GB size -- Anurag] -- ----------------------------------------------- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix. ----- Original message ----- From: "Philip Charles" <philipc(a)copyleft.co.nz> To: "debian-hurd mailing list" <debian-hurd(a)lists.debian.org> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:48:38 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: K8 CDs etc I know it is a bad time of the year, but the K8 CD iso's are being uploaded to gnuab.org at the moment. The first image 70% on its way. All four should have been uploaded in about 40 hours. 16 KB/s upload Ahhg... The tarball and mini-iso have already been uploaded. I hope that Guillem Jover is not on holiday. The DVD just completed its testing an hour or so ago, it is too big to upload and will have to be posted. Main features. The 2GB partition limit has gone. The tests were made on a 20 GB partition. The 2+ years old mkfs in the GNU/Linux installation system creates the filesystem on the large partitions nicely. This means that the Linux installer has not had to be modified and so remains at "K". nano is broken and so nano-tiny has replaced it in baseGNU and the tarball, so remember the "-tiny" bit when invoking the editor. The GNU archive overflows the DVD by about 300MB. There are eight CD images, but as usual only the first four are being made available. The K8 disc set at least matches the quality of the K7 set which IMO was the best I had produced to date. The quality of a disc set is largely determined by the quality of the packages and the overall state of the official Debian and gnuab archives. As usual, comments and suggestions are welcome. Phil. -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818 Fax +64 3 488 2875 Mobile 025 267 9420 philipc(a)copyleft.co.nz - preferred. philipc(a)debian.org I sell GNU/Linux & GNU/Hurd CDs & DVDs. See http://www.copyleft.co.nz

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by Ashish Saboo 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

Hello all ! I just joined in the mailing list. my keenness in understanding technology brought me into cyber cafe operations for a while. Currently I am offering my bit in representing the small independnet Cyber cafe operators. If members permit me I would like to present the cyber Cafe model . Its been a unique to all third world country where low income levle / low literacy but sharp entrepreneurial instinct blosomed the commercial telecentres in less thna 6 years made them as common sight as that of a barber shop or a cobbler. Our estimates put over 30% of netizens in less developed countries depend on cafes for net access as a shared / pay per usage model & for the many waiting to embarace the Internet, they act as cradle to digital society. I have read the numerous responses to vickram's post & felt like there is a a gap in understanding some of our friends carry here & what cyber cafe operators feel . Before I am permited to go in detail , I offer a few points / clarification in the hope it offers some insight to the FLOSS entrpreneurs #> for many like me the reason to be in a cyber cafe business is because they are clueless to hat technology offer an opportunity & its the best way to acquaint the tricks, few maintain the status quo beyond 3 years at best & they hop to better allied business. like hardware/ data processing/ web development / training. We estimate there are less than 25% stand alone cyber Cafes. ie offer on net access. #> What interest a cafe operator or any business man is a solution , which ever technology gets them is fine. #> Most of us did not have a complete & visible choice - I can buy the license copy of OS & Office but then what about other add on softwares which has made it a must for operating a Public access computer ? The cost of logging & a content filter software avaialble costs equal to 3 months gross revenue above all the economics of operating a browsing centre would go for a toss. #> I did see some of the proxy servers and other black boxes from Linux and they actually frightened me - little support / little awareness. So given a choice if I am forced to be at mercy to some big daddy , why not the biggest or accesible one. & worst the different versions of os confused a hell out of me , where each one had to be compromised on. #> Contarary to the view a business man is ready to pay a decent amount and be within the ambit of law then nothing. here the choice has beet the devil & the deep sea. MS is too costly which make a mass civil disobedience widely acknowledged. & the Linux variants with The free tag actually puts a brake - What matter more is sales & support and add on developers network. Owning a unlicensed copy may let him operate his business profitably but deep within he is afraid to be haunted and hence most of them choose to stay annonymous . which has been detrimental in getting better work opportunities. we are talking of e-governance / digital network etc. & BTW most of the cafe operators are whacked by the moral police & content piracy watch dogs. tHe Cafe owner knows his guilt and silently pays off . or walks out of the business unfortunaltey need for ubiquity of commmuting do not make great headlines so who cares , maybe until its too late. A fairly priced and a broadbase support will actually open new market vistas both for consumer & developers. I think there are many issues which you have raised & I cannot answer them all in a single mail . If permitted , I would love to meet you and share our views. and have some real education too. Warm wishes for a bright 2005 !! Ashish Saboo President Association of Public Internet Access Provider (ApiAp) The voice of independent Cyber cafe operators URL: http://www.apiap.cybernook.net Blog: http://apiap.blogspot.com

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Multiple default routes!
by Ashok Iyer 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

Hi, I am using a RH 9.0 host. I know that multiple 'default' routes do not make sense. But still I can add multiple default routes via 'route add default gw <ip-address> command. Is this some feature that I do not understand? I guess that the behaviour will be as follows if I have 'two default routes'. If the first default gateway is reachable, the packets will be routed through that gateway. If it is unreachable, the packets will be routed through the other gateway. This may be totally incorrect, but I really cannot think of any other possibility. Regards, Ashok http://www.patni.com World-Wide Partnerships. World-Class Solutions. _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail message may contain proprietary, confidential or legally privileged information for the sole use of the person or entity to whom this message was originally addressed. Any review, e-transmission dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error kindly delete this e-mail from your records. If it appears that this mail has been forwarded to you without proper authority, please notify us immediately at netadmin(a)patni.com and delete this mail. _____________________________________________________________________

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Linuxers January 2005