Linuxers May 2007

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
by Sachin Gopal 31 May '07

31 May '07

Fact is free or not Ubuntu seems to have done a lot for free software by just being insanely (hyperbole) popular. Stick to one ideology and you are doomed to be one with the dinosaurs as there is no change. hypocrisy is a boon and a curse to our society -- live with it! -- Regards, Sachin Gopal Indian Pneumatic & Hydraulic Co. Pvt Ltd.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 31 May '07

31 May '07

> "Over time, it will be open sourced. Right now we compete with Progeny > and Red Hat and other companies, so we need to have a unique offering > to do so effectively, and that's Launchpad. There are already libraries and > tools in LP that we have open sourced on request, especially in Rosetta, > the translation infrastructure. ..." MarkShuttleworth http://progeny.com/ It seems that Canonical is closer to its goal of being the 'unique' (read monopoly) company that it wants to be. No matter what the reason is for Progeny to cease operations, the end result is that there is one less competitor for Canonical. Regards, Debarshi -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 Key server: pgp.mit.edu

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Re:Third time loss of luser account
by Easwar Hariharan 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi, Dhawal wrote: pebkac: "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair", this IMO is the > reason for most lost/overwritten data.. > > Read my previous mail again.. > > An empty directory with a lost+found is generally seen for an empty > partition.. perhaps the /home that you see from mandriva and the one you > see from knoppix are different.. > > Compare the output of the "mount" and "df -h" command.. in both cases. I can't now,coz I deleted my partitions and remade them,thus destroying any possible rootkits. Rony wrote: > /home folder does not need special root privileges to read. Why did you > not see the /home files as Mandriva's root? Knoppix root can read files > of normally working distros. If you had a bad installation there is a > good possibility that your file system is corrupted. If you are using a > separate home partition, is it exclusively used for Mandriva or did you > use it for another distro too? Try doing a clean install by formating > all your partitions needed for Mandriva. As far as installation is > concerned Mandriva installs flawlessly. If your copy of media is bad, > get another one. If you can't get another one, let me know. 1st Question:I don't know.I am a newbie,remember? 2nd Q:My home partition is exclusively Mandriva's. The clean install is already done.....will try to get another media to make sure whether it's the media or something else.... Regards, Easwar

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Re:Third time loss of luser account
by Easwar Hariharan 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi, Kenneth wrote: > have you been rootkitted? I don't think so.I have downloaded only music and the flash-plugin for FF rpm. > BTW,Right now,it doesn't matter,since my home was on cd,i deleted my > mandriva partitions and remade them and reinstalled. > Lucky you,looks like it's my copy of the DVD that has a problem.BTW,I have never had a completely unhindered install.Always the Mandriva theme is not properly installed.Could that be a part of the reason? > Dhawal wrote: > An empty directory with a lost+found is generally seen for an empty > > > partition.. perhaps the /home that you see from mandriva and the one > > you see from knoppix are different.. > > When I see from mandriva,i click on the home icon on my desktop and when I > see from knoppix,i click on the home partition (hda6),I don't think that's > abnormal. ;) > Easwar, see my reply to your earlier mail. Data doesn't get > lost/overwritten randomly.. it is mostly pebkac. What's pebkac?It was not lost/overwritten,it was not visible within Mandriva ie it had a physical existence but was not visible within Mandriva but visible from Konsole of Knoppix live cd. > Rony wrote: > > Your hard disk could be getting baddy baddy or FS is corrupted. BTW, > > what is an luser account and how different is it from user? > > > The luser account is the same as the user account. > > > Again, corrupted files? > > > Please see the next sentence or para.I chowned my way there.It was > inaccessible because i was not the owner.(I was Knoppix root,NOT Mandriva > root) > > Regards, > Easwar >

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RE:Let's Call MS's bluff
by Easwar Hariharan 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi, Add your names to the Sue Me First MS list at: http://digitaltippingpoint.com/wiki/index.php?title=SMFM_list_page_11 It is a list already upto page 11 where linuxers put up their names,distro,PC config and purpose of use of Linux and call MS's bluff that Linux contains proprietary(read as MS) code and is emulating development path of Windows......it should actually be the other way round.....;) Regards, Easwar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
by Vihan Pandey 30 May '07

30 May '07

> > To paraphrase what GNU has said : We must not judge all of a person by just > > part of what they do. > > I thought he was the founder (and main funder) of Ubuntu and Canonical. He is and he has also repeatedly praised the Free Software philosophy and DOES support efforts regarding the same. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki > I, for one, don't use Ubuntu anymore, don't recommend it any more > until they fix these issues that's your freedom to choose. > http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/User:Pravs/What_Ubuntu_should_do_to_regain_my_con… here how i reply to that : - It does not give credit to the GNU project. Try searching for GNU on their website you DO get references to Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kubuntu GNU/Linux - It does not give importance to Freedom. what exactly are you referring to here? Yes their primary goal is giving GNU/Linux to the masses and yes they do make freedom secondary. Only making freedom secondary does NOT imply that they ignore it all together. You cannot compare them to a M$. - "Ubuntu is and always will be free of charge." there is no guarantee that it will remain Free Software After the M$ Novell deal and a not fully ready GPL v3 yet, how many projects can guarantee that they will remain Free Software? - On the contrary, they have clearly stated their willingness to include non-free softwares in their distribution. They do include proprietary drivers so new users can use the system, but other than that what other non free software are they packaging into Ubuntu? - They don't believe in Free Software. Free Software is only for software which other people develop (Launchpad is non-free software), we will have a commercial advantage in keeping launchpad proprietary, we might release it if we can't make much money out of it. If you want to contribute to Ubuntu you will have to use a non-free software which stores your data in a proprietary format. Is this your opinion or did a Canonical/Ubuntu representative say this? If yes please do give that link as well. - Ubuntu translations does not respect upstream, they are forks. The Rosetta translations don't go upstream (It is good in one way since the quality of the translations are very poor)Again, do you have a web link that states this? Also, didn't you say your concern was Ubuntu's ``lack of respect of freedom/GNU" and not their software quality. If that was true why are you mentioning this point at all? > So for me gNewSense, Debian, Fedora ... are much more important than > Ubuntu (but again it is better than Windows, Suse ...). As a Debian user myself, i would rather give Debian to someone wanting to to startup with GNU/Linux, however i don't want them to break their heads on building drivers in their 1st attempt at install. Nor do i want to restrict them by saying it will work only if you have this hardware it works else it won't - in fact that gives them the impression that it is me that is conditioning their freedom :-) > Freedom aspect > is not the top priority for Ubuntu (Ubuntu website highlights Free of > Cost availability). agreed. > > By the way - has anyone done this so far? > > > > I didn't get it. Did you mean anyone released their distro infrastructure? no, i meant - has anyone asked Canonical why is Launchpad not Free Software ? > Debian uses only Free Software for its infrastructure and it promises > to give back to the community any new tools created. agreed. > "When we write new components of the Debian system, we will license > them in a manner consistent with the Debian Free Software Guidelines." > http://www.us.debian.org/social_contract agreed and respected. > see the wiki link. It is not just launchpad, the entire data stored in > the infrastructure is in proprietary format (Remember the case of > bitkeeper). Well, at the end of the day it got dumped for git and if all you say is true for launchpad it won't last very long either. > And Ubuntu does not give credit to the GNU project. Try searching for GNU on their website you DO get references to Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kubuntu GNU/Linux. > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/linux-gnu-freedom.html agreed. > So for me Ubuntu is down the list of Free Software distributions and I > would support all distributions that gives Freedom more importance > than ease of use/technical merit. i would rather give Debian to someone over any other distro ANY day, only one can't do that all the time. If everyone i met was a techie and willing to go the extra mile - yes it works, only life isn't always like that. The normal non techie user DOES count. Sometimes it not so bad if you hold a child's hand while it is learning to walk :-) > You will have to use a non-free program to participate in ubuntu > development and your contributions will be stored in a proprietary > format, you could retrieve it only through that program (remember > bitkeeper). i do and i also remember how it was chucked out and replaced by git. > Again I have no personal hatred against Mark Shuttleworth. i never said so :-) > He has done > a wonderful job in getting GNU/Linux to masses and he is a great > speaker and amazingly good at convincing people. agreed. > But that doesn't mean > I have to agree to everything he does. absolute agreement :-) Regards, - vihan

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[COMMERCIAL] Software Engineer - i18n position in Red Hat (Pune)
by Rahul Bhalerao 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi, The job details are as follows: Division: Red Hat Location: Pune, IN Travel Involved: Not Specified Job Type: Full Time Job Level: 2+ years experience Education: Bachelors Degree or Equivalent Skills: Category: Engineering Compensation: Not Specified Position Summary: Designs, modifies, develops, writes and implements software programming applications. Supports and/or installs software applications. Focuses on developing and maintaining applications used in the internationalization and localization of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, specifically for their native Language use. Essential Duties and Responsibilities: * Implement and maintain applications specific to their native language, such as input methods * Perform native language specific quality assurance of Linux Desktops * Participate in weekly team meetings and coordinate activities with dependant teams Requirements To perform this job successfully, an individual must be able to perform each essential duty satisfactorily. * Bachelors Degree majoring in Information Technology or Computer Science or Arts/Languages. * Minimum of two years related experience and/or training; or equivalent combination of education and experience. * Ability to read and interpret English language technical documents. Ability to speak native language and business level English * Computer Skills: Previous experience developing Linux Desktop applications. Understanding and experience with object-oriented design and coding. Experience developing applications for GTK/GNOME and QT/KDE. Knowledge of basic Software Engineering concepts: development models, testing, and documentation. Interested candidates may send their CVs in Open Document format to smohan(a)redhat.com with "Software Engineer (i18n)" in the subject line.

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Third time loss of luser account
by Easwar Hariharan 29 May '07

29 May '07

Hi, I have had a prety bad experience with Mandriva 07.I have lost THREE luser accounts and all my docs,pics and music twice coz the third time today,I used a Knoppix 5.0 live CD.The typical error message is that the $HOME/._dmrc file or something like that is being ignored coz either i either don't own my HOME or it does not exist at all! Another paradox is that when I login to mandriva with root (/root) as my home directory,my /home is empty except for an empty lost+found folder but when I browse to the same location thru the Knoppix live CD,it showed me my stuff though it was inaccessible to me.I 'su'ed to root in Konsole in live CD,chowned the Home folder,umounted the D: partition and mounted it with - w.Though I now have all my stuff safely burned onto a CD,can someone please help me out of this repetitive problem?Also,can someone help with a proper and complete installation of Mandriva on my system(personal presence would be preferred ;-)). Regards, Easwar PS:Sorry for the long mail

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New to mailing list....help required.
by Ahmed Vasgare 29 May '07

29 May '07

Hi all, I am new to the mailing list. I will try to keep myself updated through this. Regards & Prosperity. Ahmed Vasgare.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
by Vihan Pandey 29 May '07

29 May '07

> > To paraphrase what GNU has said : We must not judge all of a person by just > > part of what they do. > > I thought he was the founder (and main funder) of Ubuntu and Canonical. He is and he has also repeatedly praised the Free Software philosophy and DOES support efforts regarding the same. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki > > Mark Shuttleworth has AFAIK - NEVER done anything to harm/hurt Free > > Software. The only thing one can do is continue requesting Canonical to > > release launchpad as Free Software and if they are not doing it for some > > reason to kindly state that. > > > > I, for one, don't use Ubuntu anymore, don't recommend it any more > until they fix these issues that's your freedom to choose. > http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/User:Pravs/What_Ubuntu_should_do_to_regain_my_con… here how i reply to that : - It does not give credit to the GNU project. Try searching for GNU on their website you DO get references to Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kubuntu GNU/Linux - It does not give importance to Freedom. what exactly are you referring to here? Yes their primary goal is giving GNU/Linux to the masses and yes they do make freedom secondary. Only making freedom secondary does NOT imply that they ignore it all together. You cannot compare them to a M$. - "Ubuntu is and always will be free of charge." there is no guarantee that it will remain Free Software After the M$ Novell deal and a not fully ready GPL v3 yet, how many projects can guarantee that they will remain Free Software? - On the contrary, they have clearly stated their willingness to include non-free softwares in their distribution. They do include proprietary drivers so new users can use the system, but other than that what other non free software are they packaging into Ubuntu? - They don't believe in Free Software. Free Software is only for software which other people develop (Launchpad is non-free software), we will have a commercial advantage in keeping launchpad proprietary, we might release it if we can't make much money out of it. If you want to contribute to Ubuntu you will have to use a non-free software which stores your data in a proprietary format. Is this your opinion or did a Canonical/Ubuntu representative say this? If yes please do give that link as well. - Ubuntu translations does not respect upstream, they are forks. The Rosetta translations don't go upstream (It is good in one way since the quality of the translations are very poor)Again, do you have a web link that states this? > So for me gNewSense, Debian, Fedora ... are much more important than > Ubuntu (but again it is better than Windows, Suse ...). As a Debian user myself, i would rather give Debian to someone wanting to to startup with GNU/Linux, however i don't want them to break their heads on building drivers in their 1st attempt at install. Nor do i want to restrict them by saying it will work only if you have this hardware it works else it won't - in fact that gives them the impression that it is me that is conditioning their freedom :-) > Freedom aspect > is not the top priority for Ubuntu (Ubuntu website highlights Free of > Cost availability). agreed. > > By the way - has anyone done this so far? > > > > I didn't get it. Did you mean anyone released their distro infrastructure? no, i meant - has anyone asked Canonical why is Launchpad not Free Software ? > Debian uses only Free Software for its infrastructure and it promises > to give back to the community any new tools created. agreed. > "When we write new components of the Debian system, we will license > them in a manner consistent with the Debian Free Software Guidelines." > http://www.us.debian.org/social_contract agreed and respected. > see the wiki link. It is not just launchpad, the entire data stored in > the infrastructure is in proprietary format (Remember the case of > bitkeeper). Well, at the end of the day it got dumped for git and if all you say is true for launchpad it won't last very long either. > And Ubuntu does not give credit to the GNU project. Try searching for GNU on their website you DO get references to Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kubuntu GNU/Linux. > "Calling this variant of the GNU system "Linux" plays into the hands > of people who choose their software based only on technical advantage, > not caring whether it respects their freedom. There are people like > Barr, that want their software "free from ideology" and criticize > anyone that says freedom matters. There are people like Torvalds that > will pressure our community into use of a non-free program, and > challenge anyone who complains to provide a (technically) better > program immediately or shut up. There are people who say that > technical decisions should not be "politicized" by consideration of > their social consequences." > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/linux-gnu-freedom.html agreed. > So for me Ubuntu is down the list of Free Software distributions and I > would support all distributions that gives Freedom more importance > than ease of use/technical merit. i would rather give Debian to someone over any other distro ANY day, only one can't do that all the time. If everyone i met was a techie and willing to go the extra mile - yes it works, only life isn't always like that. The normal non techie user DOES count. Sometimes it not so bad if you hold a child's hand while it is learning to walk :-) > You will have to use a non-free program to participate in ubuntu > development and your contributions will be stored in a proprietary > format, you could retrieve it only through that program (remember > bitkeeper). i do and i also remember how it was chucked out and replaced by git. > Again I have no personal hatred against Mark Shuttleworth. i never said so :-) > He has done > a wonderful job in getting GNU/Linux to masses and he is a great > speaker and amazingly good at convincing people. agreed. > But that doesn't mean > I have to agree to everything he does. absolute agreement :-) Regards, - vihan

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