Linuxers May 2005

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64
by Dinesh Joshi 24 May '05

24 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> > >Or if you have the time and inclination you can try installing Gentoo from >Stage 1 > What about the bandwidth? I thought you need to download the source for all apps from their site and compile it. Well, it does compile automatically but still... Regards, Dinesh _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 11:35, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Monday 23 May 2005 10:09 am, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Sob. The good old days. Funny that todays machines do pretty much > > the same thing a lot slower. Oh we do have better games than > > pacman and > > did you used to play parachute - i remember had to turn off the > turbo mode to play Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido games. Any one remember the first virus to strike our shores. I recollect the one which knocked chars off the monitor but dont recollect the name. This was in 86 or 87. Around the same time I wrote to UCLA for BSD 4.3. $150 for 30 floppies + postage came the reply. I never got around to ordering it tho. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by Abhishek Daga 24 May '05

24 May '05

--- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido games. I remember changing the character names in digdug using PCTOOLS. and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i remember getting to 49500+ or something. After that I ended up upgrading to a 286 which made the game too fast. Also, Test Drive worked great on the machine. the ferrari though slightly slower than the mclaren had better handling. there used to be a command called Parkdisk to be used while transporting the hard disks. is there something similar nowadays that will prevent damage to HDDs while transporting?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 12:58, Abhishek Daga wrote: > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido > > games. > > I remember changing the character names in digdug using PCTOOLS. Oh dear. You coud not live without pctools. And sidekick. And changing some byte to make the prince of persia invincible or to jump to level 10. > and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i > remember getting to 49500+ or something. You must be a verry patient guy. > After that I ended up upgrading to a 286 which made the game too > fast. Also, Test Drive worked great on the machine. the ferrari > though slightly slower than the mclaren had better handling. > > there used to be a command called Parkdisk to be used while > transporting the hard disks. is there something similar nowadays > that will prevent damage to HDDs while transporting?? They autopark now. The head gaps are so tiny that it will screw the disk if it does not park before the disk stops spinning. rgds jtd

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[OT] - Saving Private Rony
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 24 May '05

24 May '05

Hi, Is it just me or is that Rony really gets slugged a lot everytime he mentions Windows on this list. * I attended my first LUG Meet yesterday. There was a demo on Eclipse from some heads from IBM -"Open Source" is the basis of "ON Demand" business, which made absolutely no sense to me. In the QnA that ensued, someone popped a q asking if their pluggable architect. mimics emacs. The IBM guy apparently did not know his Open source that well and he popped the magic question 'Is emacs open source?' (uproar-jeering-chaos for someone who sure is not coming back for an encore). Linux in India lacks general awareness. * The PDF Viewer crashed twice right there in the session. So it's not as if Linux apps don't crash. * My windowsXP boots faster than SUSE 9.1. This could be another area for Linux to improve on for laptop users. * Maybe I'm too stupid to use Linux (or MS turned my brain to mush), but I'd prefer a single installation file that works out of the box rather than zips that go "Segmentation fault" when I try to run the app. It does not matter whether I have Linux source, I wouldn't know how to fix it. This is one area where I feel Windows scores in rakin in the people. * There seems to be too much infighting with distros on this side (drivers released for x version for Distro A.. other distro users make yer own. It's open source. OR Buy Linux compatible hardware.) * Virus-wise I still feel it's because no one's interested as of now + a better base-system than MS. As long as stuff is made by humans, there will always be others who can break in. * Linux scores in the 'under the hood' department but is still yet to reach 'prime time' status. If there's some fine print that I missed, 'LUG Members need to be anti-MS zero-tolerance holier-than-thou fanatics', I'll be glad to step out; just let me know. Repeating a favourite quote 'The only reason that I can see this far is because I'm standing on the shoulders of giants'. Instead of bashing windows left and right, recognize the good aspects and take it to the next level. As a user, I don't care as to what goes on/runs underneath.. as long as it does what it supposed to do. no more no less. Finally to end my tirade, as Rocky Balboa said 'Hit me !' Gishu

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 10:51, Richard Chang wrote: > Rony Bill [ronbillypop(a)yahoo.co.uk] wrote: > >Some questions: > > > >Why are viruses and trojans not created for linux? When linux > > overtakes windows in client machines, will there be a possibility > > of viruses and trojans being created for linux too? > > > >If a linux user surfs the net without a firewall and with java > > scripting active in his browser, will his system be prone to > > hacking attempts and key logging/password grabbing? Rubbish. > > > >Lets look at the issue in a practical way rather than randomly > > curse all windows users/installers. The OS is selected by the > > user. The installer has to follow market forces. The last sentence needs to add "into the big black hole" > > I totally agree with Rony. May be in future when Linux will rule > the roost, they may have a million more virii and worms than there > currently are on Windoze. Yeah so in the mean time you can enjoy all that s@#$ available on windows totally gratis. > As there will be many more poeple who can see the code freely, > there will be more experts who can exploit the code. And even more who can fix it. While on windows you dont even need the code to create exploits. That is one great plus for ease of (mis) use i humbly concede. > > And anything popular will have its own sworn enemies. Like Windoze > has. What can prevent M$ to exploit the code of Linux and invest in > maligning Man do you live on Europa (yeah it's habitable). M$ spends cold hard cash funding shills (why dont u try for some) to write fud and case studies to malign GNU/Linux. Some idiots are even convinced to not uninstall M$ crap after reading those. And a few find the time to ACTUALLY defend the pile. HA Ha ha. You made my day. > or crashing Linux like all the Windoze haters do right > now. After all it is free for all. ^ That should be fee for all. Windoze haters crashing windows ?. the crap fails to install on my chinese laptop with american cpu and korean ram and singapore hd and indian carrybag. The crashing happens later. But on my desktop I am in awe of windows parapsccho capabilities - my mere prescence makes it crash. Linux fails miserable to shut itself off in the prescence of linux haters. Once more i humbly admit that this feature is absent in GNU/Linux. rgds jtd

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Yesterday's GLUG meet
by Venkatesh Hariharan 23 May '05

23 May '05

Yesterday's GLUG meet on Eclipse attracted around 40 participants in Mumbai + 5 people from the Nagpur remote center of IIT Bombay's Distance Education Center. Zaheer Tavadi of IBM gave an overview of IBM's interest in open source and Ankur Goel of IBM gave an introduction to Eclipse. This was followed by a pleasant surprise. We had Tom Hanrahan, Engineering Director and Sean Madian, HR and Economic Development Director of Open Source Development Labs, home to Linus Torvalds. Tom and Sean are in India to get inputs and feedback on what role OSDL can play in India. Both the sessions were highly interactive with a great deal of audience interaction. I will be travelling next month so I request one of the GLUG list members to take up the btask of coordinating next month's GLUG meet. Venky

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Which Eclipse download for RHL 8 ?
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 23 May '05

23 May '05

I found the Eclipse IDE was pretty good with built in Refactoring and AutoTest support and I reached http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/index.php and there a number of zips for Linux. What should I download for RHL 8? Thanks, Gishu Pillai

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 23 May '05

23 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 15:06, Abhishek Daga wrote: > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > On Monday 23 May 2005 12:58, Abhishek Daga wrote: > > > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido > > > > games. > > > > > > and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i > > > remember getting to 49500+ or something. > > > > You must be a verry patient guy. > > While touching wood, I must say that my epson lx 800 bought in 1990 > is still running strong. ofcourse very minor servicing and repairs > were involved, but insignificantly minor. > > Has anyone an older printer still in service? which model? and have > you spent a lot on it servicing? Citoh 132 col purchased 2nd hand in 1990 was last working in 2000. Havent tried it since. I think mfg date was 1987. No service other than oiling the head shaft. And epson fx1170 1994. Very heavy use. Self service for cleaning stationery punchouts and oiling the head shaft. I also have an Epson laptop (no jokes) - z80 with 64k ram and 320 x 128 lcd and 32k plugin rom. It has serial, parallel, micro printer and cpm + basic in rom. 1985 vintage purchased in akhiabara for $400. Will check if it still works today. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by Abhishek Daga 23 May '05

23 May '05

--- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > On Monday 23 May 2005 12:58, Abhishek Daga wrote: > > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido > > > games. > > > and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i > > remember getting to 49500+ or something. > > You must be a verry patient guy. more than patience, i just had too much time on my hands. was a school kid so you can imagine the amount of time one can spare. While touching wood, I must say that my epson lx 800 bought in 1990 is still running strong. ofcourse very minor servicing and repairs were involved, but insignificantly minor. Has anyone an older printer still in service? which model? and have you spent a lot on it servicing? Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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